Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[GioforPM]

Johnny's great. But not quite PPG if you want to be accurate (except for 2013-14 when he was 1 game, 1 point). Just like Hall was not quite a 30 goal scorer (but was a PPG twice). Of course, Tarasenko isn't PPG either (but is a 40 goal man).

Tarasenko's contract was widely described as "unprecedented". As such, I'm not sure why it has to be followed. Then again, if you double Jacob Silverberg (39 points, $3.75M) you get $7.5M so it could be argued that that's the number.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Is a PPG player worth 6 million? Let's be honest now, it's worth more. Unfortunately it seems that the RFA status is clouding peoples judgements, and ultimately doing a similar mistake that the Canadians did with Subban.

Gaudreau is worth more than 6 million at the moment as a PPG regardless of if people want to argue his road productivity. We certainly are not getting Gaudreau on a bridge at 6 million.

Gaudreau's direct comparable is Tarasenko, which put's Gaudreau's negotiations at 7.5 million just to start at minimum. It is hard to argue t hat Tarasenko is a much better player, when Gaudreau got more points last year and is a year younger. At the very worst, they are comparable.

I also find it odd that when Tarasenko got signed, people here thought it was a steal and hoping for Monahan / Gaudreau to get something similar. And this was before Gaudreau had anywhere close to 78 points. Some were even saying to get Monahan signed to a similar deal at 7.5 million AAV.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...arasenko+signs







Let's not kid ourselves. If Gaudreau was signed to 8 year 7.5 million AAV today people here would be ecstatic.

An RFA's value is set by his comparables and leverage. Gaudreau's only leverage is sitting out a year. Or even though he doesn't have any arbitration rights and only a 2 year history you could consider arbitration awards.

And that's when you look at comparables. Monahan, Makinnon, Barkov etc. If you accept that the UFA deals on the end are worth elite level money on all those deals and back track to what those guys are getting as RFA's they all outside of Taresenko get around 5.5 mil per RFA year. So giving him 6 mil per RFA year means that you are making him the highest paid RFA in the league.

The Edmonton Trio all took 6 x 6 for 1 UFA year

The list goes on and on. RFA's have not in the early seasons of it gotten more than that.

The highest arbitration award ever was Weber coming of Norris trophy nominations at 7.5 million for the year 2 years before free agency. His previous contract was 3 yrs 13.5 mil for a 4 yr total of 21mil /4 yrs.

There just is no history in the NHL for paying an RFA more than 6 million per RFA year for 5 years. So the argument you are making is that Johnny Gaudreau is a generation talent as opposed to just being a Superstar. Pay the man superstar RFA money but lets not get silly here.

Gaudreau's 2 year bridge deal type contract is likely 5ish. Look at Subban as the comparable for that. I do agree that if he is signed for 8 yrs @ 7.5 people will be quite happy. It's not a steel and at the absolute max of what market value would be but I think most would be satisfied.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Let's not kid ourselves. If Gaudreau was signed to 8 year 7.5 million AAV today people here would be ecstatic.

Just to be clear, I would in NO way be ecstatic. To me that is the VERY top number for an 8 year deal that is player friendly.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GGG

An RFA's value is set by his comparables and leverage. Gaudreau's only leverage is sitting out a year. Or even though he doesn't have any arbitration rights and only a 2 year history you could consider arbitration awards.

And that's when you look at comparables. Monahan, Makinnon, Barkov etc. If you accept that the UFA deals on the end are worth elite level money on all those deals and back track to what those guys are getting as RFA's they all outside of Taresenko get around 5.5 mil per RFA year. So giving him 6 mil per RFA year means that you are making him the highest paid RFA in the league.

The Edmonton Trio all took 6 x 6 for 1 UFA year

The list goes on and on. RFA's have not in the early seasons of it gotten more than that.

The highest arbitration award ever was Weber coming of Norris trophy nominations at 7.5 million for the year 2 years before free agency. His previous contract was 3 yrs 13.5 mil for a 4 yr total of 21mil /4 yrs.

There just is no history in the NHL for paying an RFA more than 6 million per RFA year for 5 years. So the argument you are making is that Johnny Gaudreau is a generation talent as opposed to just being a Superstar. Pay the man superstar RFA money but lets not get silly here.

Gaudreau's 2 year bridge deal type contract is likely 5ish. Look at Subban as the comparable for that. I do agree that if he is signed for 8 yrs @ 7.5 people will be quite happy. It's not a steel and at the absolute max of what market value would be but I think most would be satisfied.

Hall and RNH took 7 x 6m deals. Eberle was 6 x 6m. So 3 UFA years for Hall and RNH, 2 for Eberle.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Hall and RNH took 7 x 6m deals. Eberle was 6 x 6m. So 3 UFA years for Hall and RNH, 2 for Eberle.

Your right. Making the RFA component of all those deals far less than 6 million per.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GGG

Your right. Making the RFA component of all those deals far less than 6 million per.

The salary cap was lower when those deals were signed too. In addition to that, neither Hall or RNH had a 79 point/6th in league scoring season to hang their hat on when their deals were signed.

[polak]

Back up the ####ing Money Truck.

[Manhattanboy]

Yup.

[AC]

What I'm expecting:

8 years $58.2M, AAV of $7.275M.
Years 1-6 (while Giordano's $6.75M is the team's max): $6.7M
Years 7-8: $9M

[MrMastodonFarm]

Keep prudently negotiating

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Groot

Since a lot of people make the Tarasenko comparable (which is the closest without a doubt), and there's this talk about RFA vs UFA years, here's what Tarasenko is making each year of his 60 million contract.

2015-16 $8,000,000 RFA
2016-17 $8,000,000 RFA
2017-18 $7,000,000 RFA
2018-19 $7,000,000 RFA
2019-20 $9,500,000 UFA
2020-21 $5,500,000 UFA
2021-22 $9,500,000 UFA
2022-23 $5,500,000 UFA

The only reason they kept it to a 7.5 million AAV was because he took a discount on two of his later UFA years, making them lowest in the contract. So if we followed the above and had Johnny making 8 for 2 RFA years, 7 for 3 RFA years, then 9.5, 5.5, 9.5 for his UFA years, that brings his total contract value to 61.5 million or an AAV of 7.6875. As Tarasenko had two discount years, drop one of Gaudreau's RFA years to the same 5.5 Tarasenko is taking in his UFA years, and it brings his contract to the same 60 million, 7.5 AAV. Even though I initially voted lower, I can't see it being below 7.5 looking at how Tarasenko's RFA and UFA years break down.

Or he took a discount on the final years to get money up front. Monahan's contract is structured the same way.

[Stay Golden]

Brad and his Mexican standoff with this kid just makes me laugh. Talk about stubborn.
Keep racking up goals and game winning assists at the tourny Gaudreau!
Hopefully Russia loses vs Finland. I want to see more of Gaudreau outshine McDavid.

[TheAlpineOracle]

I hope this whole "No one can be paid more than Gio" is a crock of BS. That's ridiculous. Times changes. I can't stand the 5 year contract thing with the Jays, and this would drive me just as crazy.

[Gaudreauvertime]

This is the type of international performance that can influence his value. Pay that man his money.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Brad and his Mexican standoff with this kid just makes me laugh. Talk about stubborn.
Keep racking up goals and game winning assists at the tourny Gaudreau!
Hopefully Russia loses vs Finland. I want to see more of Gaudreau outshine McDavid.

How do you know that it is Brad being stubborn.
I'm not taking the GMs side here, but I fail to understand how anyone can point fingers here when we have no clue what stances are being made on either side.

If it is a "Mexican standoff" it is because neither side is budging. Why does it fall to the GM to budget if the player demands are out of line.

The point is - we don't know.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

This is the type of international performance that can influence his value. Pay that man his money.

Sample size: 3 games.

[Benched]

Lets go Russia!

(And then sign this freaking kid)

[IgiTang]

Sean Monahan better be on the phone with Brad saying "get him signed". Imagine Money watching this game and thinking I play with him every game and am the beneficiary of it the most. How fired up would that make someone.

Get it done Brad. 8x8 if you have to, it just better buy all 3 ufa years. And a limited NTC in the final 2 years.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sample size: 3 games.

And? That's plenty to see the kind of player he is. People use small samples all the time when they are big games.

He also lead the tournament in exhibition scoring. These are the best players and team on the planet.

He's very obviously not at risk of regressing to a 60-65 point player.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sample size: 3 games.

3 Games of being the arguably the best skater (goalies excluded) in the tourney individually and out shined almost every player in every game.

And against "the best" in the world..? Sample size or not, he has proven he is among the best in the world right now and only getting better.

Give him his money. Make him want to be determined to win with a flaming C on his chest.