Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Because he scored more points, and that's what NHL contracts are based on.

That's certainly one part of what they're based on.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He doesn't have more points than MacKinnon. He doesn't even have more points than Monahan.

Those guys were playing in the NHL three months after they were drafted. Johnny spent three years in the NCAA and needed every single day away from the NHL.

He deserves a little more than them, sure. He doesn't deserve a million more. He might deserve $500k more, but the Gio cap is only going to give him another $474k.

Contracts aren't based on career totals either. Gaudreau wont get penalized for playing less seasons.

He'll get paid for what he did in the seasons he played.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Contracts aren't based on career totals either. Gaudreau wont get penalized for playing less seasons.

He'll get paid for what he did in the seasons he played.

And what he did in his first two seasons was great. He will be paid more than those players as a result.

I don't see him getting $7M. That's a market resetting contract, and Treliving has gotten every other player for less than expected. Gio was easily getting $7.5, according to the internet. Monahan $6.5+. Dougie was never expected to sign for $5.75.

We have a player who scored 30 goals in his second season (just like his centre) and finished 3rd in Calder voting.

Yes, he's really good. And that message will be conveyed with a $6.74M AAV.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And what he did in his first two seasons was great. He will be paid more than those players as a result.

I don't see him getting $7M. That's a market resetting contract, and Treliving has gotten every other player for less than expected. Gio was easily getting $7.5, according to the internet. Monahan $6.5+. Dougie was never expected to sign for $5.75.

We have a player who scored 30 goals in his second season (just like his centre) and finished 3rd in Calder voting.

Yes, he's really good. And that message will be conveyed with a $6.74M AAV.

Wow, I think you're off base here. There's no way a seven or eight year deal is coming in under $7mil. If we see $7-7.5 AAV I'd be very happy for the Flames side, that would be a huge win for the Flames organization.

We'll likely see them settle in the $7.5-$7.75 range, imo. Anything over that and it starts to get a little tight for building a contender, but I'd still feel good that we ever got Johnny in the first place and that he turned into a superstar.

This contract is the type of problem you want to see your team going through, rather than the more common "how do we acquire/draft a star like that?".

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Wow, I think you're off base here. There's no way a seven or eight year deal is coming in under $7mil. If we see $7-7.5 AAV I'd be very happy for the Flames side, that would be a huge win for the Flames organization.

We'll likely see them settle in the $7.5-$7.75 range, imo. Anything over that and it starts to get a little tight for building a contender, but I'd still feel good that we ever got Johnny in the first place and that he turned into a superstar.

This contract is the type of problem you want to see your team going through, rather than the more common "how do we acquire/draft a star like that?".

Why not? What makes Gaudreau worth 700k-1.2M more than Nathan MacKinnon? Jersey sales?

Steven Stamkos got $7.5 per after a 51 goal 95 point season at age 20 and a 45 goal 91 point season the year after that. You really want to give Johnny Gaudreau that kind of money after one year where he was ALMOST PPG?

[Da_Chief]

Stamkos had in-prime St.Louis and Vinny on that team and still accounted for 11.6% of cap ceiling. Gaudreau drives flames O, like I said above, at 8 mill he would still be less then 11% of the current cap ceiling.

I could understand the Iggy cap but the Gio cap is a joke. He's not even the best player on the team and has never been. This has Burke written all over it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Stamkos had in-prime St.Louis and Vinny on that team and still accounted for 11.6% of cap ceiling. Gaudreau drives flames O, like I said above, at 8 mill he would still be less then 11% of the current cap ceiling.

I could understand the Iggy cap but the Gio cap is a joke. He's not even the best player on the team and has never been. This has Burke written all over it.

Just for curiosity, the contract Iginla signed after scoring 52 goals and 96 points was worth $6.5M/year. In an uncapped league, with vastly different negotiation rights, but all the same - Iggy didn't get $7M after doing far more in his career than Johnny has.

[Tinordi]

Didn't realize the Iginla cap was still in effect.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Just for curiosity, the contract Iginla signed after scoring 52 goals and 96 points was worth $6.5M/year. In an uncapped league, with vastly different negotiation rights, but all the same - Iggy didn't get $7M after doing far more in his career than Johnny has.

He also demanded $7m during the first salary cap period.

Prorated that's about $13m today

[TheScorpion]

In the mid-2000s, Jarome Iginla was in the conversation as the best player in the world. He was definitely worth what would be $13m today then.

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In the mid-2000s, Jarome Iginla was in the conversation as the best player in the world. He was definitely worth what would be $13m today then.

Yep, also take into account it was a clutching and grabbing league. If I recall correctly, Gretzky praised Iginla quite a bit for the same reasons (around the time of the 02 Olympics I think). Of course, he also played without a true #1 C his entire career as a Flame.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

He also demanded $7m during the first salary cap period.

Prorated that's about $13m today

Yea this is a pretty important piece of context. Comparing them prorated, Iginla ate up one of the highest percentages of team payroll in the modern cap era at that point.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In the mid-2000s, Jarome Iginla was in the conversation as the best player in the world. He was definitely worth what would be $13m today then.

Iginla was the best Calgary player ever but $13 million today?

Top scorers who needed new deals from the lockout didn't get Iginla money.

Martin St. Louis was 1st in scoring(94pts) and signed for 5.250m
Ilya Kovalchuk was 3rd(87pts) and signed for $6.5m
Marian Hossa was 5th(82pts) $6.0

Iginla was 17th(73pts) and got $7.0m

He was worth his contract later on but certainly it wasn't a hometown discount when signed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Salaries have changed since Iggy signed for 7

But the Flames have to question why Johnny was so much less effective on the road when his coaches did not have as much influence to control or dictate match ups.

Add in the RFA years and there is a decent case that Johnny's camp has some give.

[gunnner]

Seems like Gaudreau wont sign until after the world cup of hockey.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Salaries have changed since Iggy signed for 7

But the Flames have to question why Johnny was so much less effective on the road when his coaches did not have as much influence to control or dictate match ups.

Add in the RFA years and there is a decent case that Johnny's camp has some give.

I'd assume he was worse on the road because he's the best player on atrocious team. All of the strategy and focus was on him, and with last change, he faced the toughest opposition.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Just for curiosity, the contract Iginla signed after scoring 52 goals and 96 points was worth $6.5M/year. In an uncapped league, with vastly different negotiation rights, but all the same - Iggy didn't get $7M after doing far more in his career than Johnny has.

Really? Yeah, news flash, players are getting bigger contracts than they did eleven years ago...

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by gunnner

Seems like Gaudreau wont sign until after the world cup of hockey.

Almost like negotiations are on hold.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Johnny is a 23 year old RFA. He's not 25 heading into unrestricted free agent status.

Excluding KHL flight risks, which comparable players in age and NHL service time have signed in the last 18 months for more than $6.75M?

Don't think any of this matters. He's a major star, right now. We're getting his best offensive seasons in the next 5 years. You can't treat the exceptional kid like the rest of the class.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'd assume he was worse on the road because he's the best player on atrocious team. All of the strategy and focus was on him, and with last change, he faced the toughest opposition.

He better get used to it. The best players in the league all face the toughest opposition, shift after shift, game after game, year after year. As long as Gaudreau is the top forward on the team (and he's asking to be paid like it), the game plan of every team the Flames face is goint to be to shut him down.