Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Mr.Coffee]

Yeah, if Calgary expects Gaudreau under 7 (and yes, considering RFA and UFA years on a longer term deal, so before you all spaz), they're out to lunch and no wonder he's holding out.

[Coach]

Just gonna pull this from the game thread because it fits more here.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It's not needless, and if they get the player for less than $6.75, then the brass balls of one Brad Treliving need to be respected.

Nathan MacKinnon just signed a 7x$6.3 deal. I don't think the argument can be made that Gaudreau for sure is going to be the better player over the next seven years. I would say he probably is, but it's certainly not a slam dunk. Especially considering MacKinnon is three years younger and put up Gaudreau's rookie numbers in his draft year.

Johnny's coming off an impressive season, his rookie year was excellent, and he's a little older than Mack. That's worth a premium. But it's in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, not millions.

Hearing this segment, I'm convinced there's no way Gaudreau gets more than $6.75.

Again, no problem with the Flames standing pat at $6.75 because they think that's how much the contract should be worth. Totally fine with it, and your MacKinnon point is spot on.

To say that it's BECAUSE of Giordano, and his being the max salary the Flames are willing to dish out, to me is ridiculous.

Those are two different things.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah, if Calgary expects Gaudreau under 7 (and yes, considering RFA and UFA years on a longer term deal, so before you all spaz), they're out to lunch and no wonder he's holding out.

He's not holding out at this point.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

He's not holding out at this point.

Yeah, you know what I meant, donkey.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah, you know what I meant, donkey.

No, I don't get the need to make everything sound as sensational as possible.

He'd stated there won't be any further talks on his part during the world cup.

"Hold out" has some serious connotations to it, and we're a ways away from talk like that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Just gonna pull this from the game thread because it fits more here.



Again, no problem with the Flames standing pat at $6.75 because they think that's how much the contract should be worth. Totally fine with it, and your MacKinnon point is spot on.

To say that it's BECAUSE of Giordano, and his being the max salary the Flames are willing to dish out, to me is ridiculous.

Those are two different things.

I think the Flames have drawn a line in the negotiation. That it happens to be mark Giordano's cap hit works from a narrative perspective. I don't think they'd refuse to sign a player for more, but I also don't see a reason to go beyond the captain's number for a player who isn't demonstrably worth much more than that anyway.

If Gaudreau signs for seven years, he will have the same number of UFA years bought out as MacKinnon. There's no reason for the team to break $7M for this player. If they're not going to do that, there's no reason to pay him more than the captain either.

[saillias]

Um, hopefully in the next couple weeks Treliving says "On second thought, let's not have a Gio cap. 'Tis a silly idea."

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

No, I don't get the need to make everything sound as sensational as possible.

He'd stated there won't be any further talks on his part during the world cup.

"Hold out" has some serious connotations to it, and we're a ways away from talk like that.

Phew! Well thank god you clarified everything for the audience.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by saillias

Um, hopefully in the next couple weeks Treliving says "On second thought, let's not have a Gio cap. 'Tis a silly idea."

Johnny is a 23 year old RFA. He's not 25 heading into unrestricted free agent status.

Excluding KHL flight risks, which comparable players in age and NHL service time have signed in the last 18 months for more than $6.75M?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

No, I don't get the need to make everything sound as sensational as possible.

He'd stated there won't be any further talks on his part during the world cup.

"Hold out" has some serious connotations to it, and we're a ways away from talk like that.

Do you go into every discussion with the mouth guard in and your hands wrapped up?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Johnny is a 23 year old RFA. He's not 25 heading into unrestricted free agent status.

Excluding KHL flight risks, which comparable players in age and NHL service time have signed in the last 18 months for more than $6.75M?

Tarasenko and Ekblad (but they had better rights I think).

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Do you go into every discussion with the mouth guard in and your hands wrapped up?

The amount of hyperbole as of late has been off the charts. You do the exact same thing very often.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tarasenko and Ekblad (but they had better rights I think).

Ekblad is a #1D at age 20 and Tarasenko was a definite KHL risk. The Blues had also recently lost Sobotka to Russia after negotiations went south.

I don't see Johnny going to Russia.

So why does he deserve so much more money than every other young star in the game?

[Da_Chief]

I guess time for Gio to get a raise at the same time?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I guess time for Gio to get a raise at the same time?

What?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Ekblad is a #1D at age 20 and Tarasenko was a definite KHL risk. The Blues had also recently lost Sobotka to Russia after negotiations went south.

I don't see Johnny going to Russia.

So why does he deserve so much more money than every other young star in the game?

Stamkos 2nd contract - 7.5 per in 2011, 11.7% of Cap ceiling.

If Gaudreau signs 8 per it would be 10.95% of cap ceiling. So he's not asking more then other young stars have gotten in the past.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Ekblad is a #1D at age 20 and Tarasenko was a definite KHL risk. The Blues had also recently lost Sobotka to Russia after negotiations went south.

I don't see Johnny going to Russia.

So why does he deserve so much more money than every other young star in the game?

Because he scored more points, and that's what NHL contracts are based on.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What?

If there's a Gio cap then Gio needs a raise in order to increase the Gio cap. So other players can get their proper contracts.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Stamkos 2nd contract - 7.5 per in 2011, 11.7% of Cap ceiling.

If Gaudreau signs 8 per it would be 10.95% of cap ceiling. So he's not asking more then other young stars have gotten in the past.

Stamkos scored 51 goals his second season and 45 in his third. I'd have to go back and look but I'd guess he signed that deal after his second year.

So again I ask, why does Johnny Gaudreau deserve Stamkos money when he's never even been a PPG player?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Because he scored more points, and that's what NHL contracts are based on.

He doesn't have more points than MacKinnon. He doesn't even have more points than Monahan.

Those guys were playing in the NHL three months after they were drafted. Johnny spent three years in the NCAA and needed every single day away from the NHL.

He deserves a little more than them, sure. He doesn't deserve a million more. He might deserve $500k more, but the Gio cap is only going to give him another $474k.