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View Poll Results: Assuming a term of 7 years what will Gaudreau's AAV end up being?
6.500 - 6.625 9 1.28%
6.625 - 6.750 5 0.71%
6.750 - 6.875 21 2.99%
6.875 - 7.000 59 8.40%
7.000 - 7.125 89 12.68%
7.125 - 7.250 85 12.11%
7.250 - 7.375 112 15.95%
7.375 - 7.500 102 14.53%
7.500 - 7.625 71 10.11%
7.625 - 7.750 38 5.41%
7.750 - 7.875 39 5.56%
7.875 - 8.000 33 4.70%
8.000 - 8.125 21 2.99%
8.125 - 8.250 6 0.85%
8.250 - 8.375 1 0.14%
8.375 - 8.500 11 1.57%
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:13 PM   #1821
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That is old news from the Francis article. Not much sense point bringing it up.
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^ Not exactly...

Francis said that Gaudreau's ask was $8 million, and that Calgary's was $6.5.
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That is old news from the Francis article. Not much sense point bringing it up.
You let us know what we can bring up.
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:41 PM   #1824
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It is something for Elliot to say on TV that Calgary isn't interested in going over Giordano's $6.7 (I think that's the number?).

Unless you cherry pick what Friedman can and cannot be trusted for, it does verify the internal cap that's been mentioned and debated here.

I think Bingo broke it down between RFA and UFA years and the AAV does indeed fall either just under or a touch over Giordano's AAV, so there's that...
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Ron MacLean just said on-air that Gaudreau is looking for $8.5.

Friedman says that Calgary doesn't want to go above Giordano's salary.
Ron was very careful to say that it was a "rumour" and he was just repeating it.

On another note, I was not happy to hear Elliot confirm the Gio cap. Not happy at all. I don't see anyway they get Gaudreau signed for less than the captain.
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People need to remember that a Gio-cap would only apply to annual salary, not average annual salary. Gio only receives a salary from the Flames for 6 more years, so years 7 + 8 could go above the $6.7 annual salary figure.

It's possible to sign Gaudreau to an 8yr/$7.525AAV contract, while still adhering to the club's Gio-cap, should there be one.
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:49 PM   #1827
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If the "Gio cap" is what's stopping you from signing Gaudreau, you trade Giordano. Then you have the "Gaudreau cap".
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If the "Gio cap" is what's stopping you from signing Gaudreau, you trade Giordano. Then you have the "Gaudreau cap".
The Gio-cap is only an obstacle if Gaudreau's camp wants more than a $7.525M AAV.
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If according to capfriendly we only have $7.964M in cap space, we won't want to sign Gaudreau for more than $7M in order to have some space for another player.
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Ron was very careful to say that it was a "rumour" and he was just repeating it.



On another note, I was not happy to hear Elliot confirm the Gio cap. Not happy at all. I don't see anyway they get Gaudreau signed for less than the captain.


His agent is trying to secure the best deal possible, that's what he's paid to do. TreIiving has to secure a deal that doesn't handcuff the team in the future. That's what he's paid to do. But I'd wager Johnny likes playing professional hockey. So much so that I highly doubt he'd want to waste even a portion of a season squabbling over somewhere around 1 million per season. 6.5 million / season is still a ridiculously large amount of money. Really, what can you buy with 7.5 million that you can't buy with 6.5? He'll sign after the WC. Guaranteed.
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People need to remember that a Gio-cap would only apply to annual salary, not average annual salary. Gio only receives a salary from the Flames for 6 more years, so years 7 + 8 could go above the $6.7 annual salary figure.

It's possible to sign Gaudreau to an 8yr/$7.525AAV contract, while still adhering to the club's Gio-cap, should there be one.
Very interesting, didn't think of it that way, and I also didn't know it was in terms of annual salary.
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Very interesting, didn't think of it that way, and I also didn't know it was in terms of annual salary.
It's never been explicitly said, but there wouldn't be any logic in a Gio-cap 7 years from now, when he's eating a bag of Doritos at home while he watches the Flames on TV.
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His agent is trying to secure the best deal possible, that's what he's paid to do. TreIiving has to secure a deal that doesn't handcuff the team in the future. That's what he's paid to do. But I'd wager Johnny likes playing professional hockey. So much so that I highly doubt he'd want to waste even a portion of a season squabbling over somewhere around 1 million per season. 6.5 million / season is still a ridiculously large amount of money. Really, what can you buy with 7.5 million that you can't buy with 6.5? He'll sign after the WC. Guaranteed.
I hope you're right. I really do. All this contract talk is making me uneasy :S
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His agent is trying to secure the best deal possible, that's what he's paid to do. TreIiving has to secure a deal that doesn't handcuff the team in the future. That's what he's paid to do. But I'd wager Johnny likes playing professional hockey. So much so that I highly doubt he'd want to waste even a portion of a season squabbling over somewhere around 1 million per season. 6.5 million / season is still a ridiculously large amount of money. Really, what can you buy with 7.5 million that you can't buy with 6.5? He'll sign after the WC. Guaranteed.
Very well said, and I agree with you. When you are making that much money, 1 mil is pretty much pocket change. I still think he gets more than 6.5 though, maybe they match him with Giordano's salary @ 6.75?
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His agent is trying to secure the best deal possible, that's what he's paid to do. TreIiving has to secure a deal that doesn't handcuff the team in the future. That's what he's paid to do. But I'd wager Johnny likes playing professional hockey. So much so that I highly doubt he'd want to waste even a portion of a season squabbling over somewhere around 1 million per season. 6.5 million / season is still a ridiculously large amount of money. Really, what can you buy with 7.5 million that you can't buy with 6.5? He'll sign after the WC. Guaranteed.
Over how many years is he going to give up a mil? Pretty unlikely he walks away from maximizing his UFA years.
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A Gio-cap is wack
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TBQH, I don't actually believe there is a Gio-cap. It's not something that the team can realistically enforce for the next 6 years.
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^ but nothing is guaranteeing Gio being here for all 6 of those years either. Maybe Johnny signs a shorter term at say 3 years @ 6.75 and then opens up new negotiations at which time Gio may or may not be with the team.
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Old 09-18-2016, 09:09 PM   #1839
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I am always wary of the 'asks'. Everyone thought Giordano asked for 9 - turns out he didn't, as per Giordano himself. His camp never asked for anything that high apparently. Don't have the time to look it up, but it came out shortly after he signed.

Not sure what Gaudreau asked for. Unless it Gaudreau starts negotiating in the media, we can't verify what the ask is, or what the offer is from the Flames.

As for the Giordano Cap - Giordano doesn't care. Remember when the Flames signed Wideman, and it was more than Giordano was making? The media directly asked him that question, and he laughed saying it doesn't bother him in the least. I don't think that Gaudreau's contract should be much higher - if at all - than Giordano's unless he is signing an 8 year deal.

If they sign him for 7.5, so be it - but now it will be harder to keep Bennett and, eventually, Tkachuk's salaries correspondingly down. It snowballs. I like how Treliving is sticking to his numbers (whatever they may be) as Gaudreau is not going to bring a cup to Calgary single-handedly. Not only is every dollar you save on a contract a dollar you can put to use elsewhere in an upgrade, but it also (in theory) allows you to save an additional few dollars with other contracts as well down the road with other players.
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I don't think there is a Gio cap, because that would be stupid. I do think that the Flames feel that number is in the ballpark of what Gaudreau should be paid.

In other words, it isn't because that is what Gio gets paid, it just so happens that what Gio gets is in the range of what Gaudreau should be getting (considering RFA years, arb rights, not offer sheet eligible, and whatever the term may be).
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