Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The Lindros trade worked in favor of the Avs because 1) Lindros went on to be injury prone and never reached his potential, and 2) Because one of the pieces became one the greatest ever European players.

You want to roll your dice on that, with those 4 players?

Yes. Yes I would.
I don't view it as a big time roll of the dice.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think Boeser is a top RW prospect. I think he's that good.
I think this organization STILL lacks overall assets - and that has been the struggle for 2 decades.
Making a deal where they turn a late pick into 4 great assets wouldn't be bad.
It's moot though. If this were to happen I doubt it would be the Canucks in any way, shape or form. So we are wasting time debating a deal that is never going to be in the cards.
If Johnny is dealt, at some point now or in the future, I think going east is far more likely: Philly, NY, Devils, Boston, etc.

Where?

RW is our only glaring weakness in regards to organizational depth.

And while, an eye has to be kept on that, especially in a cap world, you need to jump at your chances when you get them. Gaudreaus, Monahans, Brodies, Giordanos, etc.. aren't common players that commonly end up on the same team and same time in the primes of their careers. The Flames organization is very lucky that these players have turned out the way they have. You have to take the shot while you have them. You can't just doom yourself to an endless cycle of decent prospects that you trade away for more decent prospects as soon as they become good players. It makes no sense.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yes. Yes I would.
I don't view it as a big time roll of the dice.

I would bet more money that Gaudreau is retroactively viewed as one of the best American players ever, than I would that any of those 4 players becomes anything close to him.

This is not to say they can't be great players. Gaborik has been a great player in his time, and if Boeser became as good as him, or even Hossa, it would be a great thing. But those players are not the ones who drive a team. These types of players come around very rarely. And again, combine very rarely with a collection of good enough players to push a team to be a contender.

[JiriHrdina]

It depends on what we are talking about. If we are talking about exchanging Johnny for four 1st round picks - then I agree. Because that does reset the clock on the re-build.
But if we are talking about exchanging him for 4 young players - 2 of which are in the NHL already, and 2 who are probably 1-2 years away, I think it would be OK.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

It depends on what we are talking about. If we are talking about exchanging Johnny for four 1st round picks - then I agree. Because that does reset the clock on the re-build.
But if we are talking about exchanging him for 4 young players - 2 of which are in the NHL already, and 2 who are probably 1-2 years away, I think it would be OK.

If you see it that way, we'll have to agree to disagree.

If there's one thing I agree with Gaudreauvertime about, it's that this guy is something different. He's not replaceable IMO. Not if we want to be a Stanley Cup contender for the next 7 -8 years.

In the same vein, I don't think Monahan or Brodie are replaceable either. Theyre players you need to have, grown in your own organization and held onto to create the types of teams we've seen from CHI, PIT and LA.

[underclassman]

[QUOTE=jemjey;5906859]>Playing on a bad team
>Playing with a lack of talent around him

Wouldn't that make the fact he scored 20 as a rookie a greater accomplishment?

Just saying... your logic doesn't add up. "Oh ya those 20 goals he scored he just got those because h

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by polak

Either way, its a terrible idea.

Johnny is one of the best players this team has ever seen, the fact that all of the sudden so many posters are trying to throw him under the bus to try and justify why he hasn't been signed is absolutely ridiculous.

Can't wait to see your posts after the season starts and Johnny lights it up. Ill be sure to remind you of how you wanted to trade him for spare parts.

Everyone remember how Enoch Root and Jiri wanted to trade Johnny Gaudreau for Vancouvers mediocre prospects.

Oh noes... how will I ever cope?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by polak

Johnny is one of the best players this team has ever seen, the fact that all of the sudden so many posters are trying to throw him under the bus to try and justify why he hasn't been signed is absolutely ridiculous.

Am I missing something?

I didn't calculate it all out but eyeballing it, it seems people want him for around 7.25 million dollars. And that's with a likely bias of being a fan of the team and wanting a team-friendly deal above a fair value.

Anyways that 7.25M would make him the 19th highest paid forward in the world, and the youngest of that group by over a year.

Of those other 18 forwards, ten play centre. That would make him the 9th highest paid winger (LW or RW).

Of those other 8 wingers, six have already helped their team get to at least a conference final if not a Stanley Cup. That would make him one of three high paid wingers to have yet to appear in a conference final (Ovechkin and Voracek being the other two).

Despite all of this.

Nearly Everyone is fine with it. Perfectly content.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That would make him one of three high paid wingers to have yet to appear in a conference final (Ovechkin and Voracek being the other two).

Despite all of this.

Nearly Everyone is fine with it. Perfectly content.

Well, Gaudreau was the third-highest-scoring winger last season, so it'd make sense for him to be paid like the third-best-winger, wouldn't it?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well, Gaudreau was the third-highest-scoring winger last season, so it'd make sense for him to be paid like the third-best-winger, wouldn't it?

No. That's far too simplistic and the type of approach that leads to bad deals.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well, Gaudreau was the third-highest-scoring winger last season, so it'd make sense for him to be paid like the third-best-winger, wouldn't it?

The prior year, Voracek was the 2nd highest scoring winger - should he be the 2nd highest paid?

The year before that, Hall was the 2nd highest scoring winger - should he (also) be the 2nd highest paid?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well, Gaudreau was the third-highest-scoring winger last season, so it'd make sense for him to be paid like the third-best-winger, wouldn't it?

using that logic, Jiri Hudler should have been the 4th highest paid winger in the league last year.

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by underclassman

I think you're absolutely right , Johnny and Gio are elite players on this team .

Is that what I said? Sounds like something I might say... Maybe I'm just blacking out again.

[BIG M]

Trade proposal Johnny Gaudreau for Taylor Hall may be good for both teams?

Hall was born in Calgary and Gaudreau was born in Salem, New Jersey.

Both play Left Wing.

Gaudreau wants 8 million per year. Hall makes 6 million per year for next four years.

[Enoch Root]

lol

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by BIG M

Trade proposal Johnny Gaudreau for Taylor Hall may be good for both teams?

Hall was born in Calgary and Gaudreau was born in Salem, New Jersey.

Both play Left Wing.

Gaudreau wants 8 million per year. Hall makes 6 million per year for next four years.

I don't know you so nothing personal. But fak your trade proposal and if that's your idea of a good trade then you don't know what it means to be a flames fan!

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by BIG M

Trade proposal Johnny Gaudreau for Taylor Hall may be good for both teams?

Hall was born in Calgary and Gaudreau was born in Salem, New Jersey.

Both play Left Wing.

Gaudreau wants 8 million per year. Hall makes 6 million per year for next four years.

Lol not even clise

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[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Lol not even Cleese.

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fyp

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Lol not even clise

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One of those times you should have allowed autocorrect, eh?

[Canada 02]

I'd rather have a non-descript stay at home defenseman who isn't particularly great at anything

[TheScorpion]

Ron MacLean just said on-air that Gaudreau is looking for $8.5.

Friedman says that Calgary doesn't want to go above Giordano's salary.