Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[TheKurgan]

NO way Johnny has earned a $8-10mil per year contract. I love Johnny and think he is a great player, but one year in the Top 10 scoring doesn't make him the next Patrick Kane. If I was Treliving I would go max $7.5mil per year and only if I was buying up some of Johnny's UFA years.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

My guess still is that $ isn't the issue but term is.

Bonus structure could also be an issue.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Not sure why the "out to lunch" comments regarding the morning show are being thrown out there. I didn't hear anything other than a three dudes throwing around negotiation points in exactly the same way this discussion is going;

i.e. Gaudreau could ask for 10 because of "......."
Treliving could offer $7 because of "....."


Anyone could justify any number in between those ranges with a variety of solid points. That's why it's not easy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I completely agree with this. There is a "tax" so to speak that players can charge for playing in Canada. To keep top tier talent up here, there is a premium cost.

I'm not convinced this is true. Otherwise I think we would see an inordinate ratio of the highest paid players in the league on Canadian team rosters. When Gaudreau is eventually signed I expect that his contract value will appear in line with those players to whom he is most closely comparable: in this case that player is Tarasenko.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am guessing it's term as well.

Flames would probably love a contract that brings him within one year of unrestricted free agency. Gaudreau probably wants one that brings him to the earliest unrestricted free agency year.

In the end, i suspect he is going to get a long term deal and the Flames buy at least a couple of free agency years.

I would not be surprised to see a hold out situation though, so brace yourselves.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by TheKurgan

NO way Johnny has earned a $8-10mil per year contract. I love Johnny and think he is a great player, but one year in the Top 10 scoring doesn't make him the next Patrick Kane. If I was Treliving I would go max $7.5mil per year and only if I was buying up some of Johnny's UFA years.

So then he wants short term so that, on the decent chance that he does maintain his play as one of the best, he can be paid like it.

It's not hard to understand. It doesn't even mean he want's to earnt hat money elsewhere.

[polak]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

"Half" = 50% = 0.5

Number of played seasons: 2
Number of seasons in top ten: 1

1 top ten season divided by 2 played seasons = 1 / 2
1 / 2 = 0.5

0.5 = 50% = "half"

(This is where numbers start to get boring. )

Yes half his career is fair. but he's also spent half his career outside of the top 20

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

My guess still is that $ isn't the issue but term is.

Well it's likely both. The longer the term, the more both sides are dipping into their crystal balls to predict just how good Johnny will be at the end of an 8 year term in the back half of his prime.

Johnny's camp likely coming to the table with confidence saying he'll be the best player in the league, and if you want to lock me in for those years, I want to get paid at a level that doesn't translate to the comparables being discussed right now. If they were only trying to agree on a shorter contract, I don't doubt it would be done by now.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I'm not convinced this is true. Otherwise I think we would see an inordinate ratio of the highest paid players in the league on Canadian team rosters. When Gaudreau is eventually signed I expect that his contract value will appear in line with those players to whom he is most closely comparable: in this case that player is Tarasenko.

Probably more likely to be seen in UFA talent. Just a personal belief though.

[EldrickOnIce]

Anyone who says Gaudreau hasn't earned 8 - 10 M is correct, but in the next breath they want an 8 year deal. If you are paying him what he us worth, he signs a 3 year 21M deal.
8 years and you have to pay for potential

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Anyone who says Gaudreau hasn't earned 8 - 10 M is correct, but in the next breath they want an 8 year deal. If you are paying him what he us worth, he signs a 3 year 21M deal.
8 years and you have to pay for potential

On an 8 year term, Gaudreau should probably get $7.5M. He shouldn't get 8+, and he certainly shouldn't get 3 Cups in 6 years money.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Bonus structure could also be an issue.

Every time I come to this page I read this as bone structure.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Every time I come to this page I read this as bone structure.

If it's based on "Bone structure" Johnny's contracts should be short term and small dollars. Monahan's would be much larger in comparison.

I'll show myself out.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

On an 8 year term, Gaudreau should probably get $7.5M. He shouldn't get 8+, and he certainly shouldn't get 3 Cups in 6 years money.

Values change every season with the dynamic of a fluctuating cap. For example; no one can think that Tavares is actually fairly paid in comparison to Kane/Toews with an AAV of 5.5 vs 10.5 and Gaudreau put up bigger numbers than all three players in his second pro year! If he was on a better team you can easily argue that Stanley cups/playoff accolades would easily be in the cards. Kane/Toews only went up to 6.3 AAV in their second deals respectively, however, that was a long time ago. That 6.3 AAV is probably more like 8.0 AAV this year imho.

Considering the Flames essentially do not have a team without Guadreau/Monohan, I would wager that fair value is even further up the ladder as the players and agents are fully aware of this.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

...I would not be surprised to see a hold out situation though, so brace yourselves.

I would, so don't bother.

[Par]

Would you all be up for Gaudreau for Taylor Hall, Johnny gets to play closer to home and he get a player similar to Gaudreau and who is pissed off at the Oilers.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would, so don't bother.

A few weeks ago I didn't think so either, but now, I think you're kidding yourself if you aren't at least a tiny bit concerned that a holdout could happen.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Par

Would you all be up for Gaudreau for Taylor Hall, Johnny gets to play closer to home and he get a player similar to Gaudreau and who is pissed off at the Oilers.

No

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Par

Would you all be up for Gaudreau for Taylor Hall, Johnny gets to play closer to home and he get a player similar to Gaudreau and who is pissed off at the Oilers.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Par

Would you all be up for Gaudreau for Taylor Hall, Johnny gets to play closer to home and he get a player similar to Gaudreau and who is pissed off at the Oilers.

I'd rather puke in my pants and go for a jog