Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Monahan scored 20 goals with Curtis Glencross and David Jones.

Yes I agree but on a weak team, somebody is bound to do the scoring..

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by pac_4_ever

Monahan's deal is ok, hes slightly overpaid if you ask me, but not by a whole lot (maybe 500k). He is only as good offensively as Gaudreau makes him but he is a solid player. I just don't see him putting up as good numbers without Johnny, just my opinion...

Rubbish. Monahan has been just as productive when separated from Gaudreau both las season and 2014-15.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pac_4_ever

Yes I agree but on a weak team, somebody is bound to do the scoring..

He was a 19 year old rookie, fresh from being drafted. You're saying he scored 20 goals, with weak wingers, because someone had to?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by pac_4_ever

Yes I agree but on a weak team, somebody is bound to do the scoring..

That makes zero sense. A team isn't just allotted a minimum amount of goals that "somebody" has to score.

Weak teams score less. Good players stand out more on weak teams.

If he led the team, you could discount that by saying it was a weak team. But the actual points produced on a weak team should be the exact opposite reaction. A 19 year old rookie scoring 20 on a weak team is fantastic.

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He was a 19 year old rookie, fresh from being drafted. You're saying he scored 20 goals, with weak wingers, because someone had to?

Yeah just my opinion. Not bashing him because I actually like the guy as a player, just saying. I think Cammalleri missed maybe 10-15 games that season too so yeah somebody will likely pick up the slack. Sometimes its a group of players, sometimes it may just be one player. Monahan was also among the worst that year in terms of +/-, albeit he was a freshman at age 18.

[Racki]

What if...there's a deal in principle but they have to wait until game 1 so we can put Smid on LTIR?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gundo

Guadreau must be re-signed by the Flames at a reasonable price, anything less would be an absolute failure by management.

fyp

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pac_4_ever

Yeah just my opinion. Not bashing him because I actually like the guy as a player, just saying. I think Cammalleri missed maybe 10-15 games that season too so yeah somebody will likely pick up the slack. Sometimes its a group of players, sometimes it may just be one player. Monahan was also among the worst that year in terms of +/-, albeit he was a freshman at age 18.

You can blanket yourself by saying it's just your opinion but it still doesn't make any sense and is honestly pretty stupid. The pucks that went off Monahan's stick and into the net didn't go in because they had to, because slack needed to be picked up. It's a ridiculous idea.

[Enoch Root]

Sometimes on weaker teams, a player may get more opportunities than they otherwise would.

However, with Monahan that year, it would be difficult to argue that to any significant degree.

[Flash Walken]

Monahan had one of the most complete rookie campaigns I can remember from a player.

Usually you're saying to yourself, "Wow, he's a great player...I hope (this aspect) of his game turns around/fills out."

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by pac_4_ever

Yes I agree but on a weak team, somebody is bound to do the scoring..

lol.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

So many average NHL players putting up elite numbers simply because well "someone had to do it". My perspective on this game and those that play it has been forever changed with my new found perspective.

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by pac_4_ever

Yes I agree but on a weak team, somebody is bound to do the scoring..

As others have said this is an absurd opinion. If you watched his rookie season his goals came from his great release/shot placement, and great positioning/awareness - not some invisible forces making sure all teams reach their "goal quota".

[PepsiFree]

Sounds like an Oilers excuse:

"The only reason we missed the playoffs is because of the fact that our mysterious goal quota was set lower than other teams. It's not fair."

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sounds like an Oilers excuse:

"The only reason we missed the playoffs is because of the fact that our mysterious goal quota was set lower than other teams. It's not fair."

It's simple math
-Darren Dreger

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by jemjey

As others have said this is an absurd opinion. If you watched his rookie season his goals came from his great release/shot placement, and great positioning/awareness - not some invisible forces making sure all teams reach their "goal quota".

LOL at "goal quota" and "invisible forces". He played on a bad team his first season and probably got more opportunity because of the lack of talent around him. Dude, you guys need to chill. He is a good player, nobody is taking that away from him. All I am saying is he is slightly overpaid (in my opinion). Players making 6+ mil are elite/great as far as I am concerned. Monahan is good, but not elite. Some fans shouldn't be so biased just because a player plays for the team they cheer for. As for now, the only great/elite players on this team are Gaudreau and Gio.

I wasn't active on the forum at the time so I don't know how members felt on this forum but it kind of reminds me of the time fans were calling the radio hoping that Glencross would be named next team captain after Iginla's departure.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Umm, it was a list of prospects and youth, not a team lineup

Either way, its a terrible idea.

Johnny is one of the best players this team has ever seen, the fact that all of the sudden so many posters are trying to throw him under the bus to try and justify why he hasn't been signed is absolutely ridiculous.

Can't wait to see your posts after the season starts and Johnny lights it up. Ill be sure to remind you of how you wanted to trade him for spare parts.

Everyone remember how Enoch Root and Jiri wanted to trade Johnny Gaudreau for Vancouvers mediocre prospects.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by polak

Either way, its a terrible idea.

Johnny is one of the best players this team has ever seen, the fact that all of the sudden so many posters are trying to throw him under the bus to try and justify why he hasn't been signed is absolutely ridiculous.

Can't wait to see your posts after the season starts and Johnny lights it up. Ill be sure to remind you of how you wanted to trade him for spare parts.

Everyone remember how Enoch Root and Jiri wanted to trade Johnny Gaudreau for Vancouvers mediocre prospects.

They aren't mediocre prospects. They also aren't spare parts. Not in the least.
I look forward to "I told you so" post though from you because those are always such a great contribution.

[polak]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

They aren't mediocre prospects.
I look forward to "I told you so" post though from you because those are always such a great contribution.

Really? Are any of them potential Art Ross, Franchise player candidates?

Your great contribution is a Dion Phaneuf trade 2.0. Splendid.

[JiriHrdina]

Outline how it is comparable at all to the Phaneuf trade. The problem with that deal is that they did acquire good long term pieces. This deal would be the polar opposite. Not sure why you have to use hyperbole to make your point