Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FBI

Sweet we traded Johnny and still got him back for D!

Freudian slip?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Of course you are.

Boy I don't even know what this means. If anything Enoch and I often disagree to the point that we literally cause each other physical harm by the simple words we type to each other on this site.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by polak

God no. That would be the worst team in the league. By Far. Unless all of your prospects panned out.

You place A LOT of faith in Bennett, Tkachuk, Shinkaruk, Poirier, Mangiapane, Boeser, Virtanen panning out. Bennett is the only guy in that group that has shown that he can play at an NHL level consistently and so far he's just as likely to pan out as a middle 6'er as he is a #1C.

Tkachuk - Monahan - Boeser
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Virtanen
Mangiapane - Horvat - Poirier
Ferland - Jankowski - Pribyl

Three of your players on offense are good shots to make the NHL or have made it. THREE.

Terrible Terrible idea.

It's like Dion Phaneuf all over again except Gaudreau doesn't suck.

Umm, it was a list of prospects and youth, not a team lineup

[TheoFleury]

Prospects and youth don't help, we need Johnny. I have no appetite for another rebuild. Virtanen, Boeser and Juolevi could all be nothing and Horvat might top out as a 3C. The time is now, #### draft picks.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Prospects and youth don't help, we need Johnny. I have no appetite for another rebuild. Virtanen, Boeser and Juolevi could all be nothing and Horvat might top out as a 3C. The time is now, #### draft picks.

As long as you are trading "what ifs", you can just as easily argue that had the Flames had the Canucks' picks they would never have chosen Virtanen, who is the weak link in the Canucks package. And so on...

[Coach]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As long as you are trading "what ifs", you can just as easily argue that had the Flames had the Canucks' picks they would never have chosen Virtanen, who is the weak link in the Canucks package. And so on...

Generally, if you end up with the best player, you win the trade. Particularly if that player is under 25 years old and looking to possibly be a top-10 player in the league.

Are any players available at those positions as good, or as impactful, as Gaudreau? I really doubt it.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As long as you are trading "what ifs", you can just as easily argue that had the Flames had the Canucks' picks they would never have chosen Virtanen, who is the weak link in the Canucks package. And so on...

I get what you're saying but I'm not sure I trust the Flames scouting more than anyone else's in general. It's come a long way, and Gaudreau and Brodie have bought tons of goodwill, but I'm still uncomfortable with any exchange of 1sts for Gaudreau under any circumstances. The odds of getting another Gaudreau are slim. Realistically you're looking at a bust or two, a depth guy and maybe one 'star'. I'd rather just keep Gaudreau or trade him than lose him for that uncertainty. A package of Provorov+Schenn would be better than four 1sts imo... and I don't think Provorov+Schenn is enough for Gaudreau.

[Gundo]

Guadreau must be resigned by the Flames, anything less would be an absolute failure by management.

[djsFlames]

Brad's gonna have to cave if it's not done 1 week into October. There's no alternate options. Getting it done is a must.

[kn]

I haven't read every page in this thread but according to the last article posted, it sounds like the Flames are sticking to the Gio cap. That's ridiculous and mind-boggling to me. I can't believe that's a consideration. I suspect if he was 6'0, 200 lbs, the Flames wouldn't hesitate to give him Tarasenko money.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by kn

I haven't read every page in this thread but according to the last article posted, it sounds like the Flames are sticking to the Gio cap. That's ridiculous and mind-boggling to me. I can't believe that's a consideration. I suspect if he was 6'0, 200 lbs, the Flames wouldn't hesitate to give him Tarasenko money.

If he was Russian I suspect they wouldn't hesitate to give him Tarasenko money, the KHL scare for Russian players might be worth as much as 1 million.

[Freeway]

I think it's more that with the cap overage and being so close to the cap before a single game is played, they can't afford to pay Gaudreau properly and have no wiggle room.

[Ryan Coke]

I think they should pay him a fair amount, and if that isn't enough then he can sit.

I have no problem cheering for a team with Monahan, Brodie, and Gio, all who signed fair deals.

I love Gaudreau, and he's worth more than Monahan, but not as much as he thinks. I wonder what Monahan thinks if he holds out because, in spite of having an extra RFA year, he thinks he is worth not just 500k-1 million more, but closer to 2 million more.

Monahan agreed to a very fair deal, Gaudreau and his agent have decided he is ultra special and far better than anyone else on the team.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I think they should pay him a fair amount, and if that isn't enough then he can sit.

I have no problem cheering for a team with Monahan, Brodie, and Gio, all who signed fair deals.

I love Gaudreau, and he's worth more than Monahan, but not as much as he thinks. I wonder what Monahan thinks if he holds out because, in spite of having an extra RFA year, he thinks he is worth not just 500k-1 million more, but closer to 2 million more.

How do you know what what Johnny thinks he is worth? All that's been reported is speculation, right? At least that's what I've been told about 50 times.

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Monahan agreed to a very fair deal, Gaudreau and his agent have decided he is ultra special and far better than anyone else on the team.

He was our best player by a pretty large margin last year. But again, how do you know what Gaudreau thinks?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

He was our best player by a pretty large margin last year.

Nah. Brodie was.

[Ryan Coke]

He's a really good player, as is Monahan, Brodie, and Gio. An argument can be made that he was the teams best player, but it is not without argument, and certainly not by a pretty large margin.

Your right that there is some speculation based on reports, and by deduction based on the fact that a deal hasn't yet been reached. Presumably your smart enough to be able to reconcile that.

If, factoring in an extra year of RFA control, Gaudreau's camp feels they are worth 500k more than Monahan (per year), then they would likely already have a deal. So I am deducing that they feel he is worth substantially more than Monahan, in spite of the contractual factors that drive his value down. If that is correct, then I am fine letting him sit. And if I am Sean Mohanan then I am going to think about how instead of them being viewed as a symbiotic Toews and Kane relationship, that my buddy feels it is more of a Crosby-Kunitz relationship.

Not that I expect that any of this will mean anything to someone whose sole goal is to convince or insult others into agreeing that Gaudreau should be paid as much as possible.

[CroFlames]

If he's worth more than Monahan, which i don't actually think he is, it's 500k max during the RFA years.

Monahan has scored 30 goals, plays center, is a larger body and has leadership qualities.

Johnny can't exactly drive the play if ol Monahan doesn't win the face off now can he?

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I think they should pay him a fair amount, and if that isn't enough then he can sit.

I have no problem cheering for a team with Monahan, Brodie, and Gio, all who signed fair deals.

I love Gaudreau, and he's worth more than Monahan, but not as much as he thinks. I wonder what Monahan thinks if he holds out because, in spite of having an extra RFA year, he thinks he is worth not just 500k-1 million more, but closer to 2 million more.

Monahan agreed to a very fair deal, Gaudreau and his agent have decided he is ultra special and far better than anyone else on the team.

Monahan's deal is ok, hes slightly overpaid if you ask me, but not by a whole lot (maybe 500k). He is only as good offensively as Gaudreau makes him but he is a solid player. I just don't see him putting up as good numbers without Johnny, just my opinion.

I do agree with a "Gio cap" rule though. He is the captain and leader, and should be the highest paid in my opinion. Although Gaudreau may be worth (and is likely worth) 7 mil+, maybe a better option would be for him to sign short term and have the Flames pay him his 8 million+ starting in a few years as Gio gets closer to the end of his career?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Monahan scored 20 goals with Curtis Glencross and David Jones.

[Samonadreau]

I still say 7x7. Tough to argue that either way.

Que Gaudreauvertime to say how dare I insult Johnny