Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Well, obviously... but somehow I don't think Gaudreau is signing with some garbage bottom 5 team. I would look at the types of players getting picked between 10-20 to paint a clearer picture. Chances are you aren't getting a top player there.

But the point was
"Almost every team in the league would happily part ways with 4 draft picks to have a player like Johnny"

Not
"There are probably some teams that would happily part ways..." (debatable on its own but a different point than the one originally being refuted)

[nik-]

It's a "I bet half the teams in the NHL would gladly trade their rosters for ours" moment.

Come on Lewis.

[JiriHrdina]

Why don't we take a look at one of the teams that likely would love Johnny...and are middle of the road. The Flyers

2016: Rubston
2015: Provorov
2014: Sanheim
2013: Morin

A little heavy on D but with Provorov in there still pretty good.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

But the point was
"Almost every team in the league would happily part ways with 4 draft picks to have a player like Johnny"

Not
"There are probably some teams that would happily part ways..." (debatable on its own but a different point than the one originally being refuted)

Fair enough. It's meaningless though because it doesn't matter if they have interest or not. He wouldn't sign with them anyway, so what does it matter who Edmonton or Vancouver drafted in the last four years?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. It's meaningless though because it doesn't matter if they have interest or not. He wouldn't sign with them anyway, so what does it matter who Edmonton or Vancouver drafted in the last four years?

It's not meaningless because it wasn't being suggested as something that would happen. It was proving why the original statement was false and hyperbole.
You are arguing about something that no one is arguing about.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. It's meaningless though because it doesn't matter if they have interest or not. He wouldn't sign with them anyway, so what does it matter who Edmonton or Vancouver drafted in the last four years?

It's to illustrate a point. Four 1st round picks will never be traded for one player in this economic system.

[GranteedEV]

I really hope someone gives up 4 draft picks to take McDavid away from the Oilers.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

You are arguing about something that no one is arguing about.

That seems incredibly common in this thread.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I really hope someone gives up 4 draft picks to take McDavid away from the Oilers.

Yup. Even if the Oiler match it will surely drive the price up.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by RyZ

4 prospects, not 4 best players under 21.

those were the last 4 1st round picks by each team

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. It's meaningless though because it doesn't matter if they have interest or not. He wouldn't sign with them anyway, so what does it matter who Edmonton or Vancouver drafted in the last four years?

exactly... why would he sign with a rebuilding team and what contending team would be able to make an offer?

The Pittsburgh, Chicago, Blues Kings Tampa and other top teams that are drafting year after year in the 15-30 range are almost always dropping salary to get under the cap. Which of those teams is going to have 9.5 M in cap space?

NJ has about 12M in cap left and a defense that looks worse than Edmonton's on paper. Not hard to see 2 or 3 high draft picks in the next 4 years on that team even if they had Gaudreau

[bax]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bean, Hanifin, Fluery and Lindholm ??



Laine, Connors, Ehlers and Morrisey



Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Gauthier and Morgan Rielly?



Puljujarvi, Mcdavid, Drasitl, Nurse



Keller, Strome, Pernelli, Domi



Juolevi, Boeser, Virtanen, Horvat



Nylander, Eichel, Rienhart, Ristolainen



even the Flames: Tkachuk,(Hamilton), Bennett, Monahan

Pernelli

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

exactly... why would he sign with a rebuilding team and what contending team would be able to make an offer?

The Pittsburgh, Chicago, Blues Kings Tampa and other top teams that are drafting year after year in the 15-30 range are almost always dropping salary to get under the cap. Which of those teams is going to have 9.5 M in cap space?

NJ has about 12M in cap left and a defense that looks worse than Edmonton's on paper. Not hard to see 2 or 3 high draft picks in the next 4 years on that team even if they had Gaudreau

There's more teams in the top 15 than those three. Also, contracts expire every year and teams make trades to shed salary all the time. You're acting like the top 15 teams are permanently and hopelessly maxed out with no way out. For instance, imagine Philly trades Voracek and then signs Gaudreau. With their young D coming up, do you really think the Flyers are drafting in the top 10 for the next four years after?

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

But the point was
"Almost every team in the league would happily part ways with 4 draft picks to have a player like Johnny"

Not
"There are probably some teams that would happily part ways..." (debatable on its own but a different point than the one originally being refuted)

Sorry I was fixated on Ricardo's post. Didn't see the forest for the trees haha

[MrMastodonFarm]

Four years is a long time in the NHL. The last four Flyer 1st round picks have been at 22, 7, 17 and 11.

[sureLoss]

Gaudreau calls the contract situation "painful":
http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Hockey/NH.../22667391.html

However, the 23-year-old winger insists he is happy to suit up for Team North America’s young guns squad as it gives him a chance to escape what he calls a painful contract negotiation process.

“Honestly, throughout the whole summer and contract situation it’s been so painful because every day it’s something that’s on my mind,” said the restricted free agent who has yet to come to terms with the Calgary Flames.

“So this tourney has helped me not worry about that. I can just play hockey, have fun, be part of the team and hang out with teammates. It’s been the easiest part of my summer without the contract situation there.”

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Gaudreau calls the contract situation "painful":
http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Hockey/NH.../22667391.html

Is that a sign of weakness or am I just reading too much into the comment? I don't recall Brad Treliving ever calling negotiations "painful".

[UKflames]

Surely it is only as 'painful' as his agent wants it to be, isn't he the one doing all of the negotiating?? I thought Jonny was taking a back seat and letting his agent do all of the leg work, which is what it should be. If it is still painful I read into it that his agent is playing hard ball when Jonny just wants it done. Just my opinion.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Surely it is only as 'painful' as his agent wants it to be, isn't he the one doing all of the negotiating?? I thought Jonny was taking a back seat and letting his agent do all of the leg work, which is what it should be. If it is still painful I read into it that his agent is playing hard ball when Jonny just wants it done. Just my opinion.

That's possible. Or Johnny wants to distance himself from his agent in case fans come to hate Lewis Gross for being tough.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bean, Hanifin, Fluery and Lindholm ??

Laine, Connors, Ehlers and Morrisey

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Gauthier and Morgan Rielly?

Puljujarvi, Mcdavid, Drasitl, Nurse

Keller, Strome, Pernelli, Domi

Juolevi, Boeser, Virtanen, Horvat

Nylander, Eichel, Rienhart, Ristolainen

even the Flames: Tkachuk,(Hamilton), Bennett, Monahan

The Canucks would do it in a nanosecond.