Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Enoch Root]

Yup - Tarasenko is out of whack.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Can JG still accept his Qualifying Offer? Does one more year give him offer-sheet & arbitration rights? If that's the case, then his biggest point of leverage is not a holdout, but to simply say "give me the million bucks & we'll do this again next summer."

Unless there's something in the CBA that changes it, at law if he rejected it or even made a counteroffer (which at law is a rejection) he can't turn around and accept it unless the Flames re-offer it.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If you want long term it will be 6.25 x8 if you don't want long term I would start at 3.5 for 2 years.... more than we have to pay you and more than you can get anywhere else, but I'd be willing to move up on that. maybe with a promise to look at an extension provide the team makes the playoffs, etc.

That seems so risky to me. Arbitration and offersheet rights combined with two more seasons like the last and you're probably looking at a Benn type contract. And that's if you get him to see it your way. I think you'd pretty much be looking at a holdout if you approached it like that imo.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

Taresenko has been playing a lot longer. Not a fair comparison.

Johnny could very well drop to .82

When Tarasenko signed he'd played for 3 years, one more than JG. The PPG stats displayed was for the previous 2 seasons before signing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Qualifying offers expire July 15.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Qualifying offers expire July 15.

Originally Posted by CBA

A Qualifying Offer shall automatically expire at 5:00 p.m. New York time
on July 15; provided, however, that the Club may by written notice to
Central Registry and the NHLPA, sent in accordance with Exhibit 3
hereof, provided on or before 5:00 p.m. New York time on July 15, extend
the deadline for Qualifying Offer acceptance to a date (which must be a
fixed and definitive calendar date) determined in its sole discretion.

Lucky for Brad!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

'Largely Unchanged' I can agree with but the PA will use their 5%(?) Escalator every year. So over 3 years thats still a decent increase.

The 5% escalator is not a 5% increase over the previous year's cap. It's a 5% increase over the cap as calculated from 50% of the previous year's actual HRR. If HRR remains flat, then the PA would be taking the same base figure every year to add the 5% to.

That means (a) no increase in the cap during that time, and (b) the cap would be calculated on a figure 5% higher than actual revenues warrant, and the players would have to give back that extra 5% in escrow.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The 5% escalator is not a 5% increase over the previous year's cap. It's a 5% increase over the cap as calculated from 50% of the previous year's actual HRR. If HRR remains flat, then the PA would be taking the same base figure every year to add the 5% to.

That means (a) no increase in the cap during that time, and (b) the cap would be calculated on a figure 5% higher than actual revenues warrant, and the players would have to give back that extra 5% in escrow.

Good to know. Thanksed!

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Its amazing the lengths some here have gone in an attempt to discredit Gaudreau.

Do you guys really believe that he is a good comparable to Eberle? That he's all razzle dazzle? That he's unlikely to continue being a top scorer?

Stop trying to portray yourself as pro-Johnny, and everyone else as anti-Johnny. Your vote in the poll is smack dab in the middle of the rest of CPs votes. The majority of voters are valuing him right around where you are, so no matter how bad you want it, this is not you and Johnny versus the world.

[GioforPM]

[FlamesAddiction]

I kind of wish option years were possible still. I think sometimes it would make these types of negotiations easier.

It's not the money and term, but the intangibles I think that are making it tough (RFA, but not subject to offersheets, buying UFA years, inflation, the cap, etc...). Option years would be great insurance for either side.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Its amazing the lengths some here have gone in an attempt to discredit Gaudreau.

Do you guys really believe that he is a good comparable to Eberle? That he's all razzle dazzle? That he's unlikely to continue being a top scorer?

We are not trying to discredit him. We are saying there is downside risk and that you are ignoring it. Those are two very very different things.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

That seems so risky to me. Arbitration and offersheet rights combined with two more seasons like the last and you're probably looking at a Benn type contract. And that's if you get him to see it your way. I think you'd pretty much be looking at a holdout if you approached it like that imo.

why? Benn had 3 years in a row that he had significantly better seasons than Gaudreau's best season. His last season he had 15 pts in 13 playoff games

If Gaudreau were to have 2 more 78 pt seasons:

1) It would be amazing seeing as the Flames will not be playing fire-wagon hockey over the next 2 years and hopefully not going all out to catch up being behind 3-4 goals as they were in Gaudreau's best year,

2) He would still have 3 years of RFA left and while becoming available for offer sheets there would be no realistic chance of a team making one now that Feaster and Lowe have been exiled.

3) The Arbitrator would , unlike the CP crowd,would realize that the difference between RFA years and UFA years.


Benn got 9.5 for being in the 2 players in the league for 3 years. 78 points for the next 2 seasons leaves Gaudreau in the 2nd tier of star players.

[TheoFleury]

^It's not hard to imagine Gaudreau being offersheeted 9.5mx3 if signed to a 2 year bridge right now. Yeah, we'd match, but then what?

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

why? Benn had 3 years in a row that he had significantly better seasons than Gaudreau's best season. His last season he had 15 pts in 13 playoff games

If Gaudreau were to have 2 more 78 pt seasons:

1) It would be amazing seeing as the Flames will not be playing fire-wagon hockey over the next 2 years and hopefully not going all out to catch up being behind 3-4 goals as they were in Gaudreau's best year,

2) He would still have 3 years of RFA left and while becoming available for offer sheets there would be no realistic chance of a team making one now that Feaster and Lowe have been exiled.

3) The Arbitrator would , unlike the CP crowd,would realize that the difference between RFA years and UFA years.


Benn got 9.5 for being in the 2 players in the league for 3 years. 78 points for the next 2 seasons leaves Gaudreau in the 2nd tier of star players.

Never change.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

3) The Arbitrator would , unlike the CP crowd,would realize that the difference between RFA years and UFA years.

Arbitration awards are notoriously high. Kinda the reason avoiding arbitration has turned into a Treliving trademark.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

^It's not hard to imagine Gaudreau being offersheeted 9.5mx3 if signed to a 2 year bridge right now. Yeah, we'd match, but then what?

By whom? Who has 4 1st round picks and 9.5 of cap room that Gaudreau would want to sign with.

Would you match 9.5M and pass on Carolina's next 4 1st round picks?

of the recently signed RFA's who would you want the Flames to offer sheet?

The Flames have a hole in their prospect pool due to getting Hamilton. Having no valid 1st round picks for 4 years (Nemisz, Erixon, Gormley, Baertschi) led to the mess where the Flames are digging out of now.

And who would you let go to accommodate the extra 9.5M? Buy out Gio? Trade Brodie and Backlund.

[Icon]

I'm hoping for 8x 7.8... But if it's 7 I'd say 7x 7.5

[getbak]

Uh oh, the price just went up. He has hit the big time, getting interviewed by ET Canada.

[dammage79]

One day, Gaudreau will re-sign and this thread can be buried under a pile of ruble. This is driving everyone mad now. Why won't they think of the pantsless basement dwelling forum posters! Sign for them dang it!