Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

He's and RFA. He doesn't get UFA money.

LoL at the 7.5+ people.....

I guess Bingo's article really sunk in and rightfully so. I mean, I get the logic, but at the end of the day, Gaudreau is a better player than any UFA you're going to get for quite a awhile.

[GullFoss]

I'm guessing one of the following:

3 years at 6.375
7 years at 6.75

[Bingo]

triple the voters now and the average is 7.32

[Samonadreau]

No way Gaudreau makes more than Ekblad on an 8 year deal let alone 7 year.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

No way Gaudreau makes more than Ekblad on an 8 year deal let alone 7 year.

Why not? Gaudreau is a better player then Ekblad. Developing into a bigger star. No one except few Canadians will care for Ekblad wheres Gaudreau will be coveted by US markets.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

triple the voters now and the average is 7.32

Nice distribution curve as well.

Are CP polls admissible during contract negotiations?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Why not? Gaudreau is a better player then Ekblad. Developing into a bigger star. No one except few Canadians will care for Ekblad wheres Gaudreau will be coveted by US markets.

Who cares how much he's coveted in US markets? It's on the ice that matters. Ekblad will have a bigger impact on the Panthers than Gaudreau will have on the Flames.

[Cactus Jack]

On one hand, I hope for a team-friendly salary to enable us to be competitive in the future. On the other, for elite players, which I think Johnny is, I don´t buy the argument of paying less for RFA than UFA years. If McJuicebox becomes what all expect him to be, he´ll get close to the max and will deserve it. Although Johnny likely won´t earn as much, the same logic applies. He´s a top 10 scorer, possibly top 5, and deserves to be paid as such. I think he signs for 7.2

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Why not? Gaudreau is a better player then Ekblad. Developing into a bigger star. No one except few Canadians will care for Ekblad wheres Gaudreau will be coveted by US markets.

Ekblad is going to be a number one Dman. That's huge. Gaudreau is going (arguably already is) to be an elite point producer (but probably never a real 200 foot guy IMO).

I don't think US v. Canadian birth is very impactful at all. I've always thought hometown hero is pretty overstated as a factor in contracts, marketing, UFA signings, etc. Nothing I've seen indicates that Kane is bigger than, say, Crosby or Ovechkin in the US. In fact, in Chicago I bet there are as many Toews jersey sales.

[ricardodw]

The poll shows the problem in getting the deal done.

With the Flames coming to the end of their cap space for the next 4 years they are going all in on the current team (which finished 26th) to be the guys for the next 4 years.

Right now they have 6 players signed for 2019-20

Monahan, Brouwer, Frolik, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton ... 32.3M

Sign Gaudreau for 7.7 makes 40 M

The cap has gone up from 69 to 71.4 to 73 .... Right now a ballpark of 80M seems realistic for 2019-20

That leaves us with the team we had last year.... replacing Hudler/Russell/Colborne with Brouwer.

This year we have a bargain basement price for goalies of 4.2M ... That will be really hard to keep under 5-6

Backlund is currently at 3.5M pretty much agree that he is better and more important than Frolik.... maybe be or his replacement sign for 4.5

Bennett is in the same situation next off season as Monahan/Gaudreau.... His 3x2 bridge deal will be done by 2019-20... If he were to top out as a 25 goal 50 pt player I think we are looking at 5M

so just keeping Backlund and Bennett and Elliott (or equivalent) will add 15M to the 2019-20 cap making it 55M 6 forwards, 3 d-men and 1 goalie.

25 M left for 8 forwards, 4 d-men and a goalie.... 13 players.

This is workable provided that the 10 guys in place can make this team a winner. To date there are glimmers , but no solid results that show this. The best players in the 2014-15 success were Wideman, Russell, Hudler, Monahan, Gaudreau and Brodie. 50% have moved on.

On Gaudreau there are indications that he will be the key player on a winning team. he personally was exceptional on a losing team playing a system that was pretty much designed for him to succeed and also pretty much guaranteed to lose more hockey games than it won. The coach got fired with a full year left on his contract.

Things to worry about Gaudreau:

Gaudreau had 22 pts in 39 games on the road and a -17.... only 10 even strength points.. (just for comparison Bennett had 20 ES road points)

Haven't had him play a defensively responsible system.

He is 23 years old. There are not a lot of players that are not peaking by this age. Maybe he is a really good 60-70 pt player. In my mind Gaudreau 2015-16 as a 22 year old is really comparable to a 21 year old Eberle.

I can see that the Flames management might be aiming to sign him to a 2 year show me contact. Even if they pay him 5x2 and give him a 4M good-will gift, it sure would be valuable to move the all out commitment to a Gaudreau led team out a couple of years to see if it can be a winning team.

Also going 8x7 at this time with Gaudreau puts the Flames in a bad spot if Bennett goes 30-60 this year and/or Tkachuk goes 20-40.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

On one hand, I hope for a team-friendly salary to enable us to be competitive in the future. On the other, for elite players, which I think Johnny is, I don´t buy the argument of paying less for RFA than UFA years. If McJuicebox becomes what all expect him to be, he´ll get close to the max and will deserve it. Although Johnny likely won´t earn as much, the same logic applies. He´s a top 10 scorer, possibly top 5, and deserves to be paid as such. I think he signs for 7.2

Why is there such a thing as RFA status then? Why did the league and the PA bargain over it? For that matter, why have ELCs? If a rookie is as good as a 6 year vet, why not pay them that way?

[PepsiFree]

Yes, not sure of the small group of people who don't "believe" in discounted RFA years.

It's not a matter of belief. It is fact.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

We're pretty busy working on a bigger case, one that could rock the foundation of multiple account posters. It's such a big deal we've begun referring to it as our million dollar case because of how rich we'll be.

That being said it's clear this guy is the Devils fan from hfboards WhiskeyIsYourDevil that others have pointed out. It's clear he has no affection for the Flames and loves Jersey boy Gaudreau.

Dink out.

it's funny how this devils fan isn't satisfied with 1st overall superstar and franchise saver taylor hall.
why do you need our 4th round fodder devils fan?

[gvitaly]

Darren Haynes just re-tweeted this:



Thoughts?

[CroFlames]

What I gather from that tweet is that the agent is pushing the Flames and they aren't giving in.

Maybe the agent needs to concede.

[polak]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

What I gather from that tweet is that the agent is pushing the Flames and they aren't giving in.

Maybe the agent needs to concede.

It depends. If the agent is asking for 8 and the Flames are asking for 6.5 then they're both off.

Meet in the middle damn it! 7.25-7.5. Get it done. Everyones happy. Johnny stays, we win the cup, we throw pies at Oiler fans on the street.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Really? 6.5??

And no, my votes coming in where it looks like the majority of folks here are on this. I believe Bingo had the best read on this.

Is there anyway we can see where Gaudreauvertime voted? There should have been a +$15MM/yr option.

you can view poll results. despite the bickering here he is right in the middle of the pack @ 7.250 - 7.375 which is the most popular choice.

[Bingo]

I would guess Gaudreau will start applying pressure to his agent to "get something done" as soon as NA is eliminated and a Flames camp without him starts to hit home.

They will meet in the middle, but I think the agent has to get a 7 at the front to get things rolling.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Darren Haynes just re-tweeted this:


Thoughts?

Gaudreau has less time to read CP?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

On one hand, I hope for a team-friendly salary to enable us to be competitive in the future. On the other, for elite players, which I think Johnny is, I don´t buy the argument of paying less for RFA than UFA years. If McJuicebox becomes what all expect him to be, he´ll get close to the max and will deserve it. Although Johnny likely won´t earn as much, the same logic applies. He´s a top 10 scorer, possibly top 5, and deserves to be paid as such. I think he signs for 7.2

Different situration. When McJesus is ready to sign his next contract he will be offer sheet eligible and 29 teams will be happy to give up 4 x 1sts as compensation. If the grease don't sign him to a huge contract he can sign an offer sheet for 10M x 4 years, or whatever gets him to UFA status. Gaudreau doesn't have that leverage.