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View Poll Results: Assuming a term of 7 years what will Gaudreau's AAV end up being?
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6.500 - 6.625
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9 |
1.28% |
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6.625 - 6.750
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0.71% |
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6.750 - 6.875
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2.99% |
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6.875 - 7.000
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59 |
8.40% |
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7.000 - 7.125
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89 |
12.68% |
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7.125 - 7.250
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85 |
12.11% |
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7.250 - 7.375
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112 |
15.95% |
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7.375 - 7.500
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102 |
14.53% |
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7.500 - 7.625
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71 |
10.11% |
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7.625 - 7.750
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38 |
5.41% |
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7.750 - 7.875
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39 |
5.56% |
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7.875 - 8.000
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33 |
4.70% |
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8.000 - 8.125
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2.99% |
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8.125 - 8.250
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6 |
0.85% |
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8.250 - 8.375
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0.14% |
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8.375 - 8.500
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11 |
1.57% |
08-17-2016, 10:28 PM
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#121
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Get it done already BT
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08-18-2016, 12:38 AM
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#122
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Houston, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Is there a history of small players putting up elite scoring numbers in the NHL and then failing? I can't think of any, just wondering how big of a risk that is?
I know I am always worried about a big man turning into Deadmarsh or Primeau or Lindros, but I am not really worried about injuries with a smaller player
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Steve Sullivan. Jeff Skinner. I can't think of any others off the top of my head.
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08-18-2016, 01:20 AM
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#123
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#1 Goaltender
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Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup
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Originally Posted by dying4acup
Steve Sullivan. Jeff Skinner. I can't think of any others off the top of my head.
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How is Steve Sullivan an example? He consistently put up good numbers. Never elite, but he never really had a big drop off or anything. Also his career high in points came in his 6th or 7th season.
Even skinner has somewhat battled back from his concussion issues. He had 28 goals last year
Last edited by bax; 08-18-2016 at 01:24 AM.
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08-18-2016, 01:56 AM
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#124
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 868904
I feel like the Monahan deal is already done, but the Flames want to get both deals done before they announce anything.
Unless one side is being ridiculous, the Monahan contract should not be difficult at all given the comparables out there.
I think Gaudreau's contract poses more difficulty given how unique a player he is (super skilled but also risk due to size).
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Theoren Fleury never played fewer than 79 games for Calgary as a full time NHL player, in an era when you could do a lot worse to players with impunity.
Really don't understand why Gaudreau's size is even discussed anymore. I would guess he takes less contact than 95% of the league. On top of that, Datsyuk is retired. The only guy I can remember specifically tattooing Johnny is back in Russia.
He could take a certain hit the wrong way and never be the same. Like Lindros.
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08-18-2016, 07:26 AM
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#125
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Franchise Player
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If you want to discuss something that make the Flames nervous is Gaudreau's road record from last year.
39 games 7 goals 22 pts -17 even strength 5 goals 10 pts.
I don't ever recall seeing someone who has that big a differential between home and away.
Half the games are on the road.... Home 10M and away 2M ? comes to 6M/year...
a bridge deal 3.5 x2 he still is a RFA and then 10x 6 = 67M
8x8 =64 M .... a bridge deal costs 3M over 8 years if Gaudreau is able to play through the defensive schemes that he will see at home the next 2 years. Right now every team in the West will be going over the flames road games film to see what they can do to create a road situation for Gaudreau at home.
Last edited by ricardodw; 08-18-2016 at 07:53 AM.
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08-18-2016, 07:35 AM
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#126
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Hopefully Friedman has his names mixed up and he is talking about another American RFA.
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08-18-2016, 08:17 AM
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#127
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Could Care Less
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Warrener is saying on the fan right now that Johnny is worth close to $10M/year.
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08-18-2016, 08:20 AM
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#128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heep223
Warrener is saying on the fan right now that Johnny is worth close to $10M/year.
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Yeah, I don't take a lot of what he says seriously. You shouldn't either.
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08-18-2016, 08:20 AM
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#129
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heep223
Warrener is saying on the fan right now that Johnny is worth close to $10M/year.
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Good think Warrener isn't a GM
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08-18-2016, 08:21 AM
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#130
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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I said many many months ago that Gaudreau was worth, and going to get, $8.5 million. I was laughed out of the thread. Rightfully? We'll see.
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08-18-2016, 08:37 AM
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#131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
I said many many months ago that Gaudreau was worth, and going to get, $8.5 million. I was laughed out of the thread. Rightfully? We'll see.
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I don't think you are laughed out
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08-18-2016, 08:39 AM
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#132
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by heep223
Warrener is saying on the fan right now that Johnny is worth close to $10M/year.
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Molberg is terrible and Warrener is basically just his parrot. I wouldn't put a lot of value into the opinion of a local part-time AM radio host.
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08-18-2016, 08:41 AM
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#133
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Muta
Yeah, I don't take a lot of what he says seriously. You shouldn't either.
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Why? He has to be a bit dramatic of course because that's his schtick, but he's got some good points, and he knows how agents and GMs operate. Johnny won't get $10M obviously, being an RFA, etc. But he has a case for that on the open market. Guy will be top ten in the league, maybe top five, for the next decade, in an era that is the most difficult in league history to score.
EDIT: wow you guys are tough. I like Boomer and Warrener.
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08-18-2016, 08:58 AM
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#134
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Franchise Player
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That conversation on 960 this morning was brutal.
One guy (Molberg maybe?) was arguing that Gaudreau is worth at least $8M IF THE CONTRACT IS ONLY FOR RFA YEARS. If they sign him for UFA years, it will need to be $10M.
They were absolutely out to lunch.
Really quite amazing at how uninformed they were about the topic.
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08-18-2016, 09:06 AM
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#135
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
If you want to discuss something that make the Flames nervous is Gaudreau's road record from last year.
39 games 7 goals 22 pts -17 even strength 5 goals 10 pts.
I don't ever recall seeing someone who has that big a differential between home and away.
Half the games are on the road.... Home 10M and away 2M ? comes to 6M/year...
a bridge deal 3.5 x2 he still is a RFA and then 10x 6 = 67M
8x8 =64 M .... a bridge deal costs 3M over 8 years if Gaudreau is able to play through the defensive schemes that he will see at home the next 2 years. Right now every team in the West will be going over the flames road games film to see what they can do to create a road situation for Gaudreau at home.
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That split is pretty remarkable, but I note that the year before was a much more even 35-29 home-road split. Too small a sample size to suggest that teams have somehow "figured out" Johnny.
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08-18-2016, 09:13 AM
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#136
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Franchise Player
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Gaudreau faced tougher competition at home. Shooting % on the road is unsustainably low. He was a victim of bad luck.
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08-18-2016, 09:15 AM
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#137
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
I said many many months ago that Gaudreau was worth, and going to get, $8.5 million. I was laughed out of the thread. Rightfully? We'll see.
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Johnny doesn't deserve $8.5 million a season. He's not even a point per game player, and he plays wing. A less valuable position than C.
Paying for potential is a dangerous game.
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08-18-2016, 09:18 AM
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#138
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
That split is pretty remarkable, but I note that the year before was a much more even 35-29 home-road split. Too small a sample size to suggest that teams have somehow "figured out" Johnny.
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That's been brought up to him before as he's probably posted about Gaudreau's splits last year a half a dozen times now. He won't respond because it doesn't fit his narrative.
It's pretty obvious that Johnny's home/road splits from last year are even more unsustainable than the 14/15 Calgary Flames. Even if Hartley had been retained, I highly doubt he would come close to replicating them again.
Obviously road match ups will be an issue with Johnny until a legit 2nd line is assembled. However, that was an issue in 14/15 as well. Weird how the splits were relatively even in that year...
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08-18-2016, 09:19 AM
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#139
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Crash and Bang Winger
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If it goes 8.5 to 10 million, Johnny may sign but he would not be long for here. I would bet he would be traded to the US Eastern seaboard midway thru that deal. A pretty big ticket for a guy that still has to prove he can play on the road.
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08-18-2016, 09:26 AM
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#140
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Franchise Player
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Kane signed 5 years 6.5M for his second contract back in 2010. Turned out to be 11% of the team cap. 11% of of the cap hit today would be around 8M. Granted he isn't Patrick Kane and doesn't have a couple cups so I think it may come in around that or a bit lower. Gives you a ballpark that I think they might be asking for.
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