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GranteedEV · 09-13-2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said, has he ever been in a situation like we are currently seeing?

Negotating en route to re-signing a U23 star player to a long term contract following their entry level deal?

Sean Monahan
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Dougie Hamilton

Yes.

Cole436 · 09-13-2016, 07:33 PM

This thread is worse than Ann Coulter having sex with Adolf Hitler while the Vancouver Canucks win the Stanley Cup.

trublmaker · 09-13-2016, 07:33 PM

I hope JG never comes to this site, with this man love gaudreauvetime has for him he's going to be creeped out big time.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 07:35 PM

He would have been AGM for the Turris holdout as well, no?

Gaudreauvertime · 09-13-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Jesus H. Christ. He literally just went through this same process with Monahan.

Why are you being intentionally obtuse?

And no, there are no "reports" because the organization is a black vault of secrecy since Treliving took over.

Same process? I'm sorry, was Monahan 6th in scoring last year? Did he have offer sheet rights? How many RFA years did he have left? Were his comparables hitting AAVs north of 7M?

Gaudreau's contract situation is extremely unique. Almost unprecedented.

Gaudreauvertime · 09-13-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There are no reports that he is being stingy. Good try though.

Reports that Calgary is holding between 6.25 and 6.75 on a long term deal is the definition of stingy.

undercoverbrother · 09-13-2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole436

This thread is worse than Ann Coulter having sex with Adolf Hitler while the Vancouver Canucks win the Stanley Cup.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Same process? I'm sorry, was Monahan 6th in scoring last year? Did he have offer sheet rights? How many RFA years did he have left? Were his comparables hitting AAVs north of 7M?

Gaudreau's contract situation is extremely unique. Almost unprecedented.

Stop.

Edit: well it might be unprecedented for the agent, which may be the problem

Gaudreauvertime · 09-13-2016, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He likely has little to nothing to gain from it.

A one year deal would probably be $2 - $2.5M The Flames have ZERO motivation to pay him much on a one year deal. It would mean new negotiations again next year, as well as the possibility of an offer sheet.

Using your example of $6.75M for 8 years, he might think he deserves as much as $750k more per year. Or $6M over the life of the contract.

So he plays a year at $2M (foregoing $4.75M) because he thinks he's missing $6M (over 8 years).

Zero motivation? Unless they want him to actually play for them.

If you think he'd sign for 2M on a 1 year deal . . . He could go to Europe and make way more. Is it ideal? Nope. Neither is getting cheap with your star player.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Zero motivation? Unless they want him to actually play for them.

If you think he'd sign for 2M on a 1 year deal . . . He could go to Europe and make way more. Is it ideal? Nope. Neither is getting cheap with your star player.

THe only reason it would be a 1 year deal would be if there was absolutely no agreement on anything else. And if that were the case, they sould simply say $2M is the one year price - take it or leave it.

If it got to that point, there would already be animosity. Offering $2m wouldn't change anything.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Zero motivation? Unless they want him to actually play for them.

If you think he'd sign for 2M on a 1 year deal . . . He could go to Europe and make way more. Is it ideal? Nope. Neither is getting cheap with your star player.

That is the problem right there.

He isn't 'your star player'. He is one of the team's young stars. And his camp needs to realize that and stop acting like he is all that and something special.

undercoverbrother · 09-13-2016, 08:03 PM

So once JG signs will Geaudreauvertime close his account?

Gaudreauvertime · 09-13-2016, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Stop.

Edit: well it might be unprecedented for the agent, which may be the problem

Stop? Stop what?

I'm sorry you have blind faith in Treliving handling this all perfectly but he's never dealt with a situation like this, almost nobody has. How many 2nd year players end up among the top of the league in scoring while not having a 3rd year of their entry level deal ahead of them? And no offer sheet and arbitration rights to boot?

It's a unique situation, and we're getting ever close to a hold out. You can blindly trust Treliving because he signed Monahan and Gio, but these are completely different situations.

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So once JG signs will Geaudreauvertime close his account?

Only 8 years until the next one

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Stop? Stop what?

I'm sorry you have blind faith in Treliving handling this all perfectly but he's never dealt with a situation like this, almost nobody has. How many 2nd year players end up among the top of the league in scoring while not having a 3rd year of their entry level deal ahead of them? And no offer sheet and arbitration rights to boot?

It's a unique situation, and we're getting ever close to a hold out. You can blindly trust Treliving because he signed Monahan and Gio, but these are completely different situations.

Stop.

Every contract is unique in the sense that the details vary here and there.

But it is a post-ELC contract. With a young, star player. There is usually at least one or two of these every year. There have been several of them this year.

Gaudreauvertime · 09-13-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is the problem right there.

He isn't 'your star player'. He is one of the team's young stars. And his camp needs to realize that and stop acting like he is all that and something special.

But he is something special. His first 2 years in the league put him in elite company.

If Treliving doesn't think he's a special talent, trade him to the 29 other teams that undoubtedly do (and would pay accordingly).

jemjey · 09-13-2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So once JG signs will Geaudreauvertime close his account?

No, all season he'll be complaining that we aren't praising JG enough in PGTs.

undercoverbrother · 09-13-2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Stop? Stop what?

Posting?

Gaudreauvertime · 09-13-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Stop.

Every contract is unique in the sense that the details vary here and there.

But it is a post-ELC contract. With a young, star player. There is usually at least one or two of these every year. There have been several of them this year.

Haha wow ok. Then why is there such a debate about what he's worth? And why can't we find good comparables?

Enoch Root · 09-13-2016, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

But he is something special. His first 2 years in the league put him in elite company.

If Treliving doesn't think he's a special talent, trade him to the 29 other teams that undoubtedly do (and would pay accordingly).

You need to gear down. He is a very good player. He is a star.

But he isn't 'something special'. He is one of the key young players on the team. That's it. He isn't Bobby Orr or Mario Lemieux.

So slow down.