Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[taco.vidal]

THe UFA years to attract or keep talent in Calgary are going to be higher than other cities, particularily desirable US destinations, especially for an American player.
That is going to increase the cost of Gaudreau's UFA years. You may not like the sound of that but everyone laughs about Edmonton having to a pay a premium for UFAs. To many, Calgary and Edmonton are synonymous except now Edmonton has a new building that Lucic lukes.

[Groot]

Has there ever been a more contentious period amongst fans when it comes to discussing an upcoming contract? I'm new here and lurked these boards for a long time, but reading this thread it seems people are legit at eachothers throats sometimes. The range of opinions is staggering, I'll only speak for myself but I think most of us can agree that;
1) We're all massive Flames fans that only wish the best for the team, and regardless of how much we disagree on a message board it has zero impact on what actually happens to the team so the level of hostility amongst fans of the same team is unnecessary.
2) If we could pay Johnny 10 million without cap concerns most people would say yeah who cares go ahead. But to balance point 1) some financial restraint is obviously required, and as much as we all love Johnny the cheaper it is the better for the team in the long run. Not that he doesn't deserve a superstar payday, but who wouldn't want a superstar on their team for a discount (everyone loves Brodie's contract).
3) There is and won't be a crystal ball to say whatever happens was the best move for the team, until 8 years later when we can look back with 20/20 hindsight.

Can't we all just get along :*( lol

[burnitdown]

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes ago
Dreger: I couldn't get #Flames or my sources there to confirm reported Gaudreau numbers, but I was told 'it is a boatload of money.' 1040

[Enoch Root]

Taxes might be higher but $7m US converts to $9.1m CDN so he will survive

[heep223]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes ago
Dreger: I couldn't get #Flames or my sources there to confirm reported Gaudreau numbers, but I was told 'it is a boatload of money.' 1040

Wow Dreger, really insightful stuff. He is really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

Of course it's a boatload of money. That means nothing. Is $50M over 8 years a boatload of money? Yes. Is $50M over 6 years a boatload of money? Yes. Huge difference between those two contracts.

GTFO Dreger

[Locke]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes ago
Dreger: I couldn't get #Flames or my sources there to confirm reported Gaudreau numbers, but I was told 'it is a boatload of money.' 1040

Well...yeah.

No matter which way you want to slice it, if its 8 years, 6, 7 or 8M per year is going to be a 'boatload of money.'

Johnny is getting paid, theres no arguing around that, and thats fine. I dont think anyone begrudges him his pay.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by heep223

Wow Dreger, really insightful stuff. He is really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

Of course it's a boatload of money. That means nothing. Is $50M over 8 years a boatload of money? Yes. Is $50M over 6 years a boatload of money? Yes. Huge difference between those two contracts.

GTFO Dreger

We all know a "boatload" is just simple math.

[ricardodw]

There are a lot of people on CP that want all the players on a 26th place team signed up for long term at what the highest comparables will allow.


Kevin Lowe already tried this.

Why will it work out better in Calgary?


Maybe it is the boom/bust mentality driven by the resource based economy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are a lot of people on CP that want all the players on a 26th place team signed up for long term at what the highest comparable allow.


Kevin Lowe already tried this.

Why will it work out better in Calgary?


Maybe it is the boom/bust mentality driven by the resource based economy.

How dare you equate the two!? Shame on you sir.

[Hockeyguy15]

Are we talking a dinghy, or are we talking a yacht?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are a lot of people on CP that want all the players on a 26th place team signed up for long term at what the highest comparable allow.


Kevin Lowe already tried this.

Why will it work out better in Calgary?


Maybe it is the boom/bust mentality driven by the resource based economy.

Just stop.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Just stop.

Just like it's my fault I'm in this thread, it's your fault for continuing to read his posts.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by Groot

Has there ever been a more contentious period amongst fans when it comes to discussing an upcoming contract? I'm new here and lurked these boards for a long time, but reading this thread it seems people are legit at eachothers throats sometimes. The range of opinions is staggering, I'll only speak for myself but I think most of us can agree that;
1) We're all massive Flames fans that only wish the best for the team, and regardless of how much we disagree on a message board it has zero impact on what actually happens to the team so the level of hostility amongst fans of the same team is unnecessary.
2) If we could pay Johnny 10 million without cap concerns most people would say yeah who cares go ahead. But to balance point 1) some financial restraint is obviously required, and as much as we all love Johnny the cheaper it is the better for the team in the long run. Not that he doesn't deserve a superstar payday, but who wouldn't want a superstar on their team for a discount (everyone loves Brodie's contract).
3) There is and won't be a crystal ball to say whatever happens was the best move for the team, until 8 years later when we can look back with 20/20 hindsight.

Can't we all just get along :*( lol

Uhmmmm......Arent you just suppose to say "I am groot" over and over again??

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Are we talking a dinghy, or are we talking a yacht?

That's was my thought as well.
Are we talking a boat built for Johnny, or a real boat?
I mean, surely a Johnny boat is only a half a boatload.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by heep223

Wow Dreger, really insightful stuff. He is really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

Of course it's a boatload of money. That means nothing. Is $50M over 8 years a boatload of money? Yes. Is $50M over 6 years a boatload of money? Yes. Huge difference between those two contracts.

GTFO Dreger

Johnny to Flames: "You're gonna need a bigger boat!"

[polak]

Phew I was worried we were going to have to pay a crap load or worse yet, a s**t ton.

I can deal with a boat load.

[calumniate]

This is going to be one hail sized contract

[GioforPM]

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

No, that's not what you do because its not what you have to do. The CBA is specifically set up in such a way that guys don't get paid what they're actually worth until UFA. It structurally enables teams to pay RFAs less than they are actually worth. To not utilize that is poor management, and frankly, dumb. Harsh when you're sympathetic towards the player involved (as even I am), yes. But still dumb.

If you don't like it, take on the CBA. Don't take on the Flames for playing by its rules.

So by your own logic, why even offer him 6.5? Why not offer him only 3? You don't because you want him to play. And he'd be wise to sign a 1 year deal or withhold his services should the team refuse to offer him what he is worth.

The real hook is the arbitration rights and offer sheet limitations. They can effectively hold Johnny hostage if he doesn't meet their demands. This is a completely different situation than other hold outs, as Johnny literally has no alternative in the league, yet is a budding superstar. He's the future of our offense, why would you want to hold him hostage by offering him far less than he'd get in an offer sheet? He's the last guy we should be nickel and diming - why risk bad blood and a potentially unmotivated star player all to save like 1% on cap?

[polak]

Originally Posted by calumniate

This is going to be one hail sized contract

Like a more money-like Colborne?