Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[rain_e]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Of all the asinine things in this thread, a 1 year, 1 million dollar deal is by far, the dumbest.

More like 1 year, $950,000 right?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Of all the asinine things in this thread, a 1 year, 1 million dollar deal is by far, the dumbest.

Hey Johnny, how would you like to play hockey in exchange for these 3 magic beans?

They arent money now, but they could grow to be money later! Or beans! Or beans could be money if the world lost its mind and adopted a Legume-based economy.

Huh? Huh? Sweet deal amirite?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Baseball teams don't offer much more than they have to when players are under team control unless they are buying out UFA years and no one usually sits out or complains.

After a fairly comparable period of time to the expiry of an NHL ELC MLB players become eligible for arbitration and get significant raises (significantly more then NHL teams are required to submit for an RFA qualifying offer). Take Josh Donaldson as an example...

2012 Player Cash Earnings $480,000
2013 Player Cash Earnings $492,500
2014 Player Cash Earnings $500,000
2015 Player Cash Earnings $4,300,000
2016 Player Cash Earnings $11,650,000
2017 Player Cash Earnings $17,000,000
2018 4th Time Arbitration Eligible
2019 Free Agency

... so three super cheap years followed by significantly more money. Sound like any professional hockey league you're familiar with? It's not all that different except that arbitration is a normal standardized process in baseball and offer sheets don't exist.

[GioforPM]

Is it just me or is Ekblad not a bad comparable? Yeah, LW versus D, but both guys ended their second year, both guys have huge impact now and in future projections, their accomplishments and awards have tracked each other, their teams are at similar stages.

I don't know what rights Ekblad had as far as arbitration and offer sheets go but otherwise they are similar impact sophomores, with Ekblad playing the more key position.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Is it just me or is Ekblad not a bad comparable?

I think it's just you... different position, different ages, different jurisdictional tax rates. They're a pretty poor comparable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I think it's just you... different position, different ages, different jurisdictional tax rates. They're a pretty poor comparable.

If anything, those factors, except for tax rates, favour Ekblad - he plays more significant position, and is way younger and therefore has more UFA playable years available later. And he signs for 8 years, $7.5M, which I'd take any day for JG.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If anything, those factors, except for tax rates, favour Ekblad

Tax rate greatly favours Ekblad, in that he gets paids a lot more in Florida than he would have made in Alberta.

Ekblad would have been offersheet eligible and his contract has 4 UFA years instead of 3. So, like Tarasenko, that's pretty significant difference. Also, Ekblad signed a full year earlier (his contract doesn't kick in until after this season), which I'm not sure who that favours but it's a pretty big difference.

[TheScorpion]

Let's pull a Crosby and give him a 13-year deal for 93 million dollars.

[GioforPM]

Not just me:

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/2016/...d-for-all.html

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...53#post5890653

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrepl...eply&p=5821162

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Tax rate greatly favours Ekblad, in that he gets paids a lot more in Florida than he would have made in Alberta.

Ekblad would have been offersheet eligible and his contract has 4 UFA years instead of 3. So, like Tarasenko, that's pretty significant difference. Also, Ekblad signed a full year earlier (his contract doesn't kick in until after this season), which I'm not sure who that favours but it's a pretty big difference.

You mean Ekblad keeps a lot more (therefore can be paid less with the same end result). And Johnny has to be paid more. But that's the only factor IMO that works that way.

The other things again point to Johnny making less if you compare the two. But like I said, I'd be OK with the same contract.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I don't think GioforPM is way off base or anything. In the absence of good comparable at the same position you have to look at players of similar pedigree and talent. Ekblad is nowhere near the worst suggestion I've seen in this thread.

[Robbob]

I think Haynes is right. 8 yr 7.5 AAV would be the ceiling. With both Ekblad and Tarasenko you are buying a year more then you would with Gaudreau. That extra RFA should lower the AAV slighly.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Exactly!

The $6.5M-$7.0M crowd aren't saying he's not worth $8M+, we're just saying we don't have to pay him that much so doing so is dumb.

If its agreed that he is worth $8M, then to me its pretty simple. Either pay him what he is worth and focus on making the playoffs, or let him miss games and risk our chances at the playoffs because you refuse to pay him what he is worth.

Or just trade the guy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If its agreed that he is worth $8M, then to me its pretty simple. Either pay him what he is worth and focus on making the playoffs, or let him miss games and risk our chances at the playoffs because you refuse to pay him what he is worth.

Or just trade the guy.

Hell, lets pay him $10M and play with 3 lines.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If its agreed that he is worth $8M, then to me its pretty simple. Either pay him what he is worth and focus on making the playoffs, or let him miss games and risk our chances at the playoffs because you refuse to pay him what he is worth.

Or just trade the guy.

Everyone calm down. The deal will get done and I'm willing to bet it's for a lot less than 8M per season.

I'm not sure why everyone is on edge, both sides are just posturing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If its agreed that he is worth $8M, then to me its pretty simple. Either pay him what he is worth and focus on making the playoffs, or let him miss games and risk our chances at the playoffs because you refuse to pay him what he is worth.

Or just trade the guy.

Or use the leverage provided to you by the CBA to negotiate a fair deal for both sides that recognises his tenure in the league, the fact that he has 5 years of team control, and that it's in everyone's best interest to get it done before the puck drops on opening night.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If its agreed that he is worth $8M, then to me its pretty simple. Either pay him what he is worth and focus on making the playoffs, or let him miss games and risk our chances at the playoffs because you refuse to pay him what he is worth.

Or just trade the guy.

Yeah, ok WhiskeyYourTheDevils

[locsofblu]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Everyone calm down. The deal will get done and I'm willing to bet it's for a lot less than 8M per season.

I'm not sure why everyone is on edge, both sides are just posturing.

Me as well. I'm thinking somewhere around 7.95 per.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Let's pull a Crosby and give him a 13-year deal for 93 million dollars.

Pulling a Crosby would be either 13 years/$169 million or or 13 years/$16.9 million.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If its agreed that he is worth $8M, then to me its pretty simple. Either pay him what he is worth and focus on making the playoffs, or let him miss games and risk our chances at the playoffs because you refuse to pay him what he is worth.

Or just trade the guy.

No, that's not what you do because its not what you have to do. The CBA is specifically set up in such a way that guys don't get paid what they're actually worth until UFA. It structurally enables teams to pay RFAs less than they are actually worth. To not utilize that is poor management, and frankly, dumb. Harsh when you're sympathetic towards the player involved (as even I am), yes. But still dumb.

If you don't like it, take on the CBA. Don't take on the Flames for playing by its rules.