Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Drouin hadn't had a brilliant playoff, he would be in an even worse position. His value would be tanked, and if Yzerman wasn't going to trade him before he certainly wouldn't after a year of this. Think of the precedent that sets for other kids who come into your organization.

Yzerman handled the Drouin situation like a boss is supposed to. But if you want to argue he's lucky Stamkos had a blood clot issue, I guess you can.

RFAs have a little power. They don't have much. The only player to use your so called nuclear option is still on his team.

I just don't see everything as black and white as others do I guess. I'm not trying to be annoying or anything.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't think he messed up either, but I also think he got a little lucky and I also think Drouin would've been traded by now if nothing had changed. Yzerman was in a tough spot for sure.

What we know:
Yzerman said he wasn't going to trade Drouin unless he got value back.
He didn't trade him

So why do you think anything else would have happened?
He basically said what he was going to do, and then did it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

How long do you really think it would've went on for without the playoffs to 'fix' the relationship? Be honest. When do you think Yzerman would acquiesce if Drouin still wanted out?

Why would he acquiesce?

Waiting it out, and sending Drouin to the A worked last year. If Drouin had a bad playoffs and didn't make the team this year, I would assume he would simply find himself in the A again.

You keep attempting to argue that Drouin 'won'.

Yes he did. He is playing for TB.

There is absolutely no point to be garnered from this with respect to Gaudreau though.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What we know:
Yzerman said he wasn't going to trade Drouin unless he got value back.
He didn't trade him

So why do you think anything else would have happened?
He basically said what he was going to do, and then did it.

I just don't think he would've waited out his RFA rights I guess. I'm just assuming basic, emotionless pragmatism would eventually set in.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I just don't think he would've waited out his RFA rights I guess. I'm just assuming basic, emotionless pragmatism would eventually set in.

As if Drouin would have. As soon as he went back to the AHL, he was folding his hand.

He got the call up because he earned it. The player learns his lesson.

Yzerman won.

[stang]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Gaudreau put up:
1 point in 1 game (1.0 PPG)
64 points in 80 games (.8 PPG)
78 points in 79 games (.99 PPG)

Hmmm couldn't ever match his first years ppg total. Must have peaked.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why would he acquiesce?

Waiting it out, and sending Drouin to the A worked last year. If Drouin had a bad playoffs and didn't make the team this year, I would assume he would simply find himself in the A again.

You keep attempting to argue that Drouin 'won'.

Yes he did. He is playing for TB.

There is absolutely no point to be garnered from this with respect to Gaudreau though.

Look, I'm not trying to fight with you. I notice you have a pretty entrenched and combative tone regarding this topic. I'm certainly not going to change your mind. I just don't see this the same way some do. I'm a little old school, maybe I side with the players a bit too much at times, we all have our biases.

I'm old enough to remember Gilmour and Nieuwendyk walking out in a fury. Although it is a different era and it's very hard to compare, but people are ultimately unpredictable. Push them far enough, they will bend. Push them too far, they will break. Everyone's different. I'm just really hoping that the Flames aren't picking right now to make a point.

[PugnaciousIntern]

All this Drouin talk makes me accept the idea of Gaudreau not signing until after the season starts. Who cares what his value might demand on the open market - he's got minimal leverage, and this team will have plenty of other contracts to sign in the coming years.

We used to make fun of the Oilers for being up against the cap with a terrible team. We just missed the playoffs by a bunch too.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As if Drouin would have. As soon as he went back to the AHL, he was folding his hand.

He got the call up because he earned it. The player learns his lesson.

Yzerman won.

I guess I can see why some might see it that way. I don't know what else to say?

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

All this Drouin talk makes me accept the idea of Gaudreau not signing until after the season starts. Who cares what his value might demand on the open market - he's got minimal leverage, and this team will have plenty of other contracts to sign in the coming years.

We used to make fun of the Oilers for being up against the cap with a terrible team. We just missed the playoffs by a bunch too.

I want the Flames in the playoffs this year so I'm really hoping they get this done.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Drouin hadn't had a brilliant playoff, he would be in an even worse position. His value would be tanked, and if Yzerman wasn't going to trade him before he certainly wouldn't after a year of this. Think of the precedent that sets for other kids who come into your organization.

Yzerman handled the Drouin situation like a boss is supposed to. But if you want to argue he's lucky Stamkos had a blood clot issue, I guess you can.

RFAs have a little power. They don't have much. The only player to use your so called nuclear option is still on his team.

And there's literally no precedent for an RFA demanding a trade in the middle of a contract negotiation in the modern NHL.

Kyle Turris?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Right now Gaudreau has scored 16 fewer points then his centre over their respective careers. His centre, btw, who makes 6.38/year. And was playing in the NHL as an 18 year old.

Gaudreau plays the least valuable position on the ice, and none of his peers are making anywhere close to 8. He has no negotiating rights. He has one 78 point season, which is only barely better than Jordan Eberle's career high.

Simply put, he is not an $8M player in this economic reality. And if we're meant to think $8M is a bargain in two or three years (it won't be), imagine what a deal we'll think $7.1 is.

So Monahan has played an entire season more than Gaudreau and only has 16 more points? How is that an argument against Johnny? Especially when he's got 8 more points than his closest peer (Tarasenko) had at the time of signing his 7.5M AAV deal. 7.5, btw, is very close to 8M.

You seem fairly certain that Gaudreau won't be a bargain at 8M in 2-3 years. You sound like every fan who has doubted him from day 1.

[calgaryblood]

I don't think it's fair to compare Drouin to Gaudreau. One is a player who hasn't been able to stay in the lineup because of multiple holes in his game and the other just finished 6th in scoring.

I think Drouin is way over rated because of a playoffs where he took advantage of a lot of pp time. I still don't like his game and think he's a liability on the ice 5 on 5. He still has the same holes in his game that made him a healthy scratch more nights than not. If Stamkos was healthy he likely would have not played a single playoff game.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

So Monahan has played an entire season more than Gaudreau and only has 16 more points?

An entire season where he was freshly drafted and just turned 19 years old. It sounds amazing when you strip all context from it, but try not to. Gaudreau didn't make the jump until three years post draft. That's not a knock, some guys take longer than othersbut when Monahan was scoring 22 goals in the NHL Gaudreau was scoring 21 in college.

You sound like every fan who has doubted him from day 1.

Child please. You need to stop this hyperbolic bullsh*t.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

An entire season where he was freshly drafted and just turned 19 years old. It sounds amazing when you strip all context from it, but try not to. Gaudreau didn't make the jump until three years post draft. That's not a knock, some guys take longer than othersbut when Monahan was scoring 22 goals in the NHL Gaudreau was scoring 21 in college.


Child please. You need to stop this hyperbolic bullsh*t.

That last part is dying for some context

[MrMastodonFarm]

lol I realized that immediately after, but oh well.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

So Monahan has played an entire season more than Gaudreau and only has 16 more points? How is that an argument against Johnny? Especially when he's got 8 more points than his closest peer (Tarasenko) had at the time of signing his 7.5M AAV deal. 7.5, btw, is very close to 8M.

You seem fairly certain that Gaudreau won't be a bargain at 8M in 2-3 years. You sound like every fan who has doubted him from day 1.

You're cherry picking. He said Monahan did it as an 18 year old, Johnny was what 21 in his first game and 22 in his first full season?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

So Monahan has played an entire season more than Gaudreau and only has 16 more points? How is that an argument against Johnny? Especially when he's got 8 more points than his closest peer (Tarasenko) had at the time of signing his 7.5M AAV deal. 7.5, btw, is very close to 8M.

You seem fairly certain that Gaudreau won't be a bargain at 8M in 2-3 years. You sound like every fan who has doubted him from day 1.

Boy, you've got me there. Certainly, no bigger Gaudreau detractor exists on this site than I. Moving on.

Vladimir Tarasenko had arbitration rights and could be offer sheeted.

Oh, and he's also Russian. The Blues had already lost Sobotka to the KHL. They were forced to overpay.

I don't doubt Johnny will be an $8M player in two or three years. I don't think he'll be a $10M player in two or three years, which is what it would take for him to be considered a 'bargain'.

Most important, his contract is up now. So unless he wants to play in Russia (he doesn't) he's going to sign something more reasonable with the only team he can before the season started.

[PepsiFree]

At what point do we just accept that Gaudreauvertime is purposely ignoring Tarasenko's UFA/RFA split difference and arbitration rights?

How many times do a hundred people have to tell him the same thing?

I'm still waiting for that answer on why he even posts here when he clearly hates CP. I know I'll never get it, but I just can't sleep right without it.

Does anybody notice how his numbers slowly creep up? 8 million is going to be a bargain he says now.

[jemjey]

Guys I've been doing some research and after comparing Johnny's point totals to Gretzky's from his first 3 years and adjusting for inflation I think Johnny signs for 15mil+