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Zulu29 · 09-10-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

gaudraeu played 2 seasons on entry level deal, tarasenko played 3 seasons

That's fine, then the poster shouldn't have used Gaudreau's 1 game season as a ppg comparison.

JiriHrdina · 09-10-2016, 08:11 PM

Drouin basically had to do what the Lightning told him to do which was go play on the farm. His hold out literally did nothing to further his position.

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It's a giant risk for Drouin because Yzerman could've just held him out and he'd have missed millions in cities earnings.

They both had risks, but Yzerman want just risking Drouin. He was risking the next time a kid that wasn't getting the playing time they thought they deserves would do the same thing again

Nah. He would've been traded by the draft or the start of the season imo. Same chance to earn millions, just somewhere else.

Snuffleupagus · 09-10-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gaudreau plays the least valuable position on the ice, and none of his peers are making anywhere close to 8

Gaudreau doesn't play a normal wingers game though, he drives the play like a top center and makes his teammates better.

His game is very similar to Kane in that way, who happens to make $10.5 mill in the least valuable position.

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Drouin basically had to do what the Lightning told him to do which was go play on the farm. His hold out literally did nothing to further his position.

It would've been in their best interest to move on eventually unless you're suggesting they act out of spite. Eventually wouldn't have been years and years imo. No sense nuking an asset's value for no good reason.

JiriHrdina · 09-10-2016, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

It would've been in their best interest to move on eventually unless you're suggesting they act out of spite. Eventually wouldn't have been years and years imo. No sense nuking an asset's value for no good reason.

Nope. All they had to do was out-wait him
Which they did.
The truth is in the pudding - as they say.

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Nope. All they had to do was out-wait him
Which they did.
The truth is in the pudding - as they say.

OK. Agree to disagree.

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jonathan Drouin, who asked for a trade and never got traded, is the example you choose to give?

I didn't give the example. Just responded to it.

Enoch Root · 09-10-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Nah. He would've been traded by the draft or the start of the season imo. Same chance to earn millions, just somewhere else.

So he didn't gain anything?

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So he didn't gain anything?

They played him eventually didn't they?

Enoch Root · 09-10-2016, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

They played him eventually didn't they?

You have no idea what you are arguing

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You have no idea what you are arguing

Lol OK. It was always going to work out for Yzerman just because it did. Just a big ol' masterful plan that had zero chance of failing.

GreenLantern2814 · 09-10-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Gaudreau doesn't play a normal wingers game though, he drives the play like a top center and makes his teammates better.

His game is very similar to Kane in that way, who happens to make $10.5 mill in the least valuable position.

We just spent a decade watching the best winger in the game win three playoff rounds.

Johnny's great. Wing is the least valuable position on the ice.

And Patrick Kane has three championships.

Coach · 09-10-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Lol OK. It was always going to work out for Yzerman just because it did. Just a big ol' masterful plan that had zero chance of failing.

It didn't fail. So...

MrMastodonFarm · 09-10-2016, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Lol OK. It was always going to work out for Yzerman just because it did. Just a big ol' masterful plan that had zero chance of failing.

No.. but I think it was a terrible plan by Drouin ans his camp, and flies in the face of your claim and a RFA can just ask for a trade and several months later it will be granted.

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

It didn't fail. So...

Seriously? Is that how we're going to evaluate the decisions GMs make? I will admit Yzerman did a great job with the hand he was dealt, he had to back his coach. He's just fortunate that things turned out the way they did. Is by this really so radical of a concept?

I'm just saying that RFAs aren't powerless like some suggest. I truly believe Drouin's trade value would be less without the playoffs and Yzerman's rep would be taking a hit right now had Drouin flopped or chosen that moment to go on a cold streak.

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No.. but I think it was a terrible plan by Drouin ans his camp, and flies in the face of your claim and a RFA can just ask for a trade and several months later it will be granted.

How long do you really think it would've went on for without the playoffs to 'fix' the relationship? Be honest. When do you think Yzerman would acquiesce if Drouin still wanted out?

JiriHrdina · 09-10-2016, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

How long do you really think it would've went on for without the playoffs to 'fix' the relationship? Be honest. When do you think Yzerman would acquiesce if Drouin still wanted out?

Yzerman is a stubborn SOB. I believe he would have out-waited Drouin if he couldn't get value.
I don't think Yzerman messed up here - but I do think he has messed up with the Bishop situation (different discussion I guess)

TheoFleury · 09-10-2016, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yzerman is a stubborn SOB. I believe he would have out-waited Drouin if he couldn't get value.
I don't think Yzerman messed up here - but I do think he has messed up with the Bishop situation (different discussion I guess)

I don't think he messed up either, but I also think he got a little lucky and I also think Drouin would've been traded by now if nothing had changed. Yzerman was in a tough spot for sure.

GreenLantern2814 · 09-10-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Seriously? Is that how we're going to evaluate the decisions GMs make? I will admit Yzerman did a great job with the hand he was dealt, he had to back his coach. He's just fortunate that things turned out the way they did. Is by this really so radical of a concept?

I'm just saying that RFAs aren't powerless like some suggest. I truly believe Drouin's trade value would be less without the playoffs and Yzerman's rep would be taking a hit right now had Drouin flopped or chosen that moment to go on a cold streak.

If Drouin hadn't had a brilliant playoff, he would be in an even worse position. His value would be tanked, and if Yzerman wasn't going to trade him before he certainly wouldn't after a year of this. Think of the precedent that sets for other kids who come into your organization.

Yzerman handled the Drouin situation like a boss is supposed to. But if you want to argue he's lucky Stamkos had a blood clot issue, I guess you can.

RFAs have a little power. They don't have much. The only player to use your so called nuclear option is still on his team.

And there's literally no precedent for an RFA demanding a trade in the middle of a contract negotiation in the modern NHL.