Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

It isn't a petty point. He isn't an 80 point player. 80 point players are players that have reached that milestone consistently



Johnny isn't an 80 point player. If he wants to be paid like one - he needs to do it at least once. And then again.

Please don't bring up facts (petty points) that completely negate (don't change) what Johnson was saying.

Unless that's how you want to the discussion to go. You know, with actual facts and evidence forming a logical unbiased opinion (petty conjecture and straw men) that CP is known for!

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I don't have a problem with Johnny asking for 8 when the Flames are at 6.5 as long as they mutually land somewhere that is fair for both sides. What I would have a problem with is if one side isn't willing to budge.

What's perplexing is how far apart they still are. They had really since the end of the season so 5 months to hash this out.

I think the reason they're not budging is that Johnny's agent and Treliving both have something to prove with this negotiation, and there hasn't been an overwhelming pressure for either to move from their starting position yet.

After the World Cup, I'd expect the meaningful negotiations to begin, and hopefully they'll find a long-term compromise.

[mikeecho]

I always find points/goals per season markers discussion interesting because the they tend to be treated like a pass/fail test when characterizing players.

19 goals = fail while 20 goals = pass.
78 points = fail while 80 points = pass.

David Moss scored 20 goals in 2008-09 but to me, he's a guy who scored 20 goals as opposed to a 20 goal scorer. Gaudreau on the other hand scored 78 points and I think it's pretty safe to say he's an 80 point player.

I wouldn't begrudge the Flames for pointing out he's never scored 80 points, but I have no doubt all 30 GM's consider him an 80 point guy at this point in his career.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Funny enough, CP is in the minority regarding what Gaudreau is worth . . .

"CP", from what I've seen, has been suggesting an AAV in the 6.7 - 7.5 range, on a 7-8yr deal. Are you saying that's in the minority?

It's right in the wheelhouse of where he'll end up. It'll be an AAV in the low 7s.

[TheScorpion]

This thread is, like, 50% Gaudreauvertime posts, 45% people responding to Gaudreauvertime's posts, 4% people calling this entire thread ridiculous, and 1% actual news.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This thread is, like, 50% Gaudreauvertime posts, 45% people responding to Gaudreauvertime's posts, 4% people calling this entire thread ridiculous, and 1% actual news.

Could we see a pie chart on that

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This thread is, like, 50% Gaudreauvertime posts, 45% people responding to Gaudreauvertime's posts, 4% people calling this entire thread ridiculous, and 1% actual news.

How do we classify your post (and mine)?

[IgiTang]

I'm so divided on the issue. Is Johnny the most important player on the team? Debatable. Is he the best player on the team, many says yes.

Does he deserve to be the highest paid player on the team?... Ugh..

One thing that stands out to me is that Johnny wants to be the highest paid player on the team. But, he isn't clearly the most important player on the team.

Monahan hit 24 goals in his rookie season without Johnny, proving he can do it without him. So mony doesn't need Johnny.

Another thing, Gaudreau wanting a royalty on every jersey sold and trying to set a new precedent bothers me a bit.
He's trying to change the way the entire NHL does business when it comes to merchandising.

That suggests Johnny, in his 2 years, feels he's now bigger than the way the NHL does business. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The way I see it, there are 3 ways this could go..

1) Johnny gets 8x8
2) Johnny Settles for 5 years or 6 years at 6.5 and he walks for nothing cause the Flames pissed his camp off.
3) The Flames bridge him @ 6.5 for 3 years ( which was reported that no one wants.

Some have said they would be ok with 7-7.5, anything more is too much.

Rather than piss Johnny off over 500k or 1 million, and lose him for nothing in 5-6 years, get the 8x8 done and move on.

That 500k-1mil is not worth this battle that could end up leaving everyone resentful.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I'm so divided on the issue. Is Johnny the most important player on the team? Debatable. Is he the best player on the team, many says yes.

Does he deserve to be the highest paid player on the team?... Ugh..

One thing that stands out to me is that Johnny wants to be the highest paid player on the team. But, he isn't clearly the most important player on the team.

Monahan hit 24 goals in his rookie season without Johnny, proving he can do it without him. So mony doesn't need Johnny.

Another thing, Gaudreau wanting a royalty on every jersey sold and trying to set a new precedent bothers me a bit.
He's trying to change the way the entire NHL does business when it comes to merchandising.

That suggests Johnny, in his 2 years, feels he's now bigger than the way the NHL does business. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The way I see it, there are 3 ways this could go..

1) Johnny gets 8x8
2) Johnny Settles for 5 years or 6 years at 6.5 and he walks for nothing cause the Flames pissed his camp off.
3) The Flames bridge him @ 6.5 for 3 years ( which was reported that no one wants.

Some have said they would be ok with 7-7.5, anything more is too much.

Rather than piss Johnny off over 500k or 1 million, and lose him for nothing in 5-6 years, get the 8x8 done and move on.

That 500k-1mil is not worth this battle that could end up leaving everyone resentful.

And then the next player does the same thing (demands too much) and then the team is ####ed

You can't just give players what they want in a cap era

[JiriHrdina]

Wouldn't the whole jersey royalty thing be governed by the CBA and not individual contracts?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Another thing, Gaudreau wanting a royalty on every jersey sold and trying to set a new precedent bothers me a bit.
He's trying to change the way the entire NHL does business when it comes to merchandising.

That's not even something that can happen, so whoever concocted that nonsense was just inventing things to get mad about.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

I always find points/goals per season markers discussion interesting because the they tend to be treated like a pass/fail test when characterizing players.

19 goals = fail while 20 goals = pass.
78 points = fail while 80 points = pass.

David Moss scored 20 goals in 2008-09 but to me, he's a guy who scored 20 goals as opposed to a 20 goal scorer. Gaudreau on the other hand scored 78 points and I think it's pretty safe to say he's an 80 point player.

I wouldn't begrudge the Flames for pointing out he's never scored 80 points, but I have no doubt all 30 GM's consider him an 80 point guy at this point in his career.

It probably is, but that's not how negotiations like this work, and both sides know it. All we know for sure is Johnny Gaudreau is a 60 point player, since he's hit that mark twice.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume 80+ from Gaudreau this year, and I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he's going to throw up a 100 point season before his next deal is up. But so far, he's got 64 and 78 points, and he has some bad road splits.

You can't give that player Stamkos money when the only leverage he has is time. And Treliving won't.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Funny enough, CP is in the minority regarding what Gaudreau is worth . . .

Statement: Most of CP thinks Johnny is worth $6.8M-$7.5M with term.

Please provide backup for one of the following two statements:
1) That is not the range that most of CP thinks he worth.
2) The majority outside of CP thinks he's worth outside of that range.

If you can't do that your post is full of crap and evidence of you just a slipping back into slinging petty BS because you can't help yourself.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And then the next player does the same thing (demands too much) and then the team is ####ed

You can't just give players what they want in a cap era

Guys like Gaudreau aren't the kind of guys that come along every offseason. There's a certain calibre of player you can justify an extra $500k for without keeping yourself awake at night. Just cause Treliving gives a little extra for a top 10 scorer in the league doesn't mean every bottom 6 UFA will be able walk into negotiations like a WWE entrance.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

...Some have said they would be ok with 7-7.5, anything more is too much.

Rather than piss Johnny off over 500k or 1 million, and lose him for nothing in 5-6 years, get the 8x8 done and move on.

That 500k-1mil is not worth this battle that could end up leaving everyone resentful.

I have a really hard time believing that anyone involved in this high-level negotiation is so thin-skinned that they would allow this difference to affect their relationship, especially given that they are stuck with each other for at least the next five years.

I maintain that anything over $7.5 m is too much on any length of term. It is beginning to feel like an over-stated point, but people seem not to understand how much Gaudreau's status as a 5-year RFA without arbitration rights and offer sheet eligibility affects his value on this deal. Moreover, it is surprising to me how many are keen to disregard the potential cap difficulties $500,000 or $1 m can create for a team whose window to win is probably widest in the next five years.

It will get done before the season. It will be long-term. It will be for under $7.5 m.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Statement: Most of CP thinks Johnny is worth $6.8M-$7.5M with term.

Please provide backup for one of the following two statements:
1) That is not the range that most of CP thinks he worth.
2) The majority outside of CP thinks he's worth outside of that range.

If you can't do that your post is full of crap and evidence of you just a slipping back into slinging petty BS because you can't help yourself.

Go read comments on some of these articles, or look at some discussion on other forums. Most people are saying 7-8+. Very few believe under 7 is even realistic.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

Guys like Gaudreau aren't the kind of guys that come along every offseason. There's a certain calibre of player you can justify an extra $500k for without keeping yourself awake at night. Just cause Treliving gives a little extra for a top 10 scorer in the league doesn't mean every bottom 6 UFA will be able walk into negotiations like a WWE entrance.

Bennett and Tkachuk.

And what if Monahan and Hamilton and Brodie already did this.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Go read comments on some of these articles, or look at some discussion on other forums. Most people are saying 7-8+. Very few believe under 7 is even realistic.

I think it's going to be at least 7.5M. But never, ever read comments on articles

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Go read comments on some of these articles, or look at some discussion on other forums. Most people are saying 7-8+. Very few believe under 7 is even realistic.

Ahhh the ole "Go look it up for yourself" Defense. Classic. The onus is on YOU having made this (erroneous) claim to provide evidence in the form of links and quotes.

We'll all wait here for you.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Go read comments on some of these articles, or look at some discussion on other forums. Most people are saying 7-8+. Very few believe under 7 is even realistic.

We are on this forum precisely because the quality of posting is better (typically much better) than other forums.