Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

...Nothing is to be gained by him making public statements.

There is also nothing to be lost from his fairly benign comments. I also wish that he wasn't such a blowhard, but in the end all of what he says tends to be basically harmless. So, whatever.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

How are people judging this situation absent knowing what offers have been exchanged?

The usual way: by inferring what is unreported and jumping to conclusions.

[GoJetsGo]

Never let the facts (or the absence of any actual information) get in the way of a good bout of manufactured panic / outrage.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

How are people judging this situation absent knowing what offers have been exchanged?

Exactly. At this point, I think every possible scenario has been suggested, with someone panicking because they're absolutely sure that their imagined scenario is the right one.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He purchased insurance because not doing so would be nonsensical.

And whatever that insurance is worth, it's not going to cover the entirety of a $50M contract.

They're close. Now we have a soft deadline, and a player with essentially zero leverage given his RFA rights has some.

If Johnny Gaudreau isn't locked up long term before September 4, I'll change my avatar to Donald Trump.

You'll just argue that your avatar is already Donald Trump, with his brain transplanted into Bill the Cat.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

How are people judging this situation absent knowing what offers have been exchanged?

Can we not judge the things that have been said and what we know? I agree we can't jump to conclusions about what offers have transpired, but it's rather obtuse and Pollyanna to claim there's nothing wrong here.

Most situations like this end with the player signing and everyone happy. That doesn't mean they don't sometimes and there's no legitimate concern either.

Burke "negotiating in public" merits comments on it's face value as they don't seem to have any potential benefits and if nothing else could be inflammatory. Seems like a stupid tactic to me

[nfotiu]

I haven't seen it mentioned here, but I thought there was a deadline added to the CBA at some point that basically prevented hold outs. Something like if a RFA isn't signed by a certain date, then they are ineligible to sign for the rest of the year. Did I imagine that?

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I haven't seen it mentioned here, but I thought there was a deadline added to the CBA at some point that basically prevented hold outs. Something like if a RFA isn't signed by a certain date, then they are ineligible to sign for the rest of the year. Did I imagine that?

No, I'm pretty sure that's in there, but the date in question is December 1st if memory serves...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Can we not judge the things that have been said and what we know? I agree we can't jump to conclusions about what offers have transpired, but it's rather obtuse and Pollyanna to claim there's nothing wrong here.

Most situations like this end with the player signing and everyone happy. That doesn't mean they don't sometimes and there's no legitimate concern either.

Burke "negotiating in public" merits comments on it's face value as they don't seem to have any potential benefits and if nothing else could be inflammatory. Seems like a stupid tactic to me

Obtuse AND Pollyanna! Wow!
You can jump to conclusions if you want. I just think we don't know nearly enough to understand the dynamics of the negotiations.
What if Johnny is asking for term that brings him to the fastest possible UFA date?

[sureLoss]

FWIW Ryan Kennedy of THN on 960 says he asked agents which GM they liked dealing with the most and almost all of them said Treliving because he is a straight shooter.

He also said he is hearing there is no animosity between the sides in the negotiations between the Flames, Gaudreau, and Monahan, It is just due diligence as to why it is taking so long.

[TheAlpineOracle]

There's no chance Johnny won't be a Calgary Flame. It doesn't even hit my radar of things to worry about entering this season. It's just matter of time.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Obtuse AND Pollyanna! Wow!
You can jump to conclusions if you want. I just think we don't know nearly enough to understand the dynamics of the negotiations.
What if Johnny is asking for term that brings him to the fastest possible UFA date?

Or maybe (0% chance) he wants something like 10m/yr!

How would the people here feel about giving him only 5 years at 10m/season after shouting, "Just Get It Done!"

Trust BT that he is doing the best thing for this team, and wait it out. The contract will happen soon enough.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Obtuse AND Pollyanna! Wow!
You can jump to conclusions if you want. I just think we don't know nearly enough to understand the dynamics of the negotiations.
What if Johnny is asking for term that brings him to the fastest possible UFA date?

Wouldn't that be concerning?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW Ryan Kennedy of THN on 960 says he asked agents which GM they liked dealing with the most and almost all of them said Treliving because he is a straight shooter.

He also said he is hearing there is no animosity between the sides in the negotiations between the Flames, Gaudreau, and Monahan, It is just due diligence as to why it is taking so long.

I like Derek Wills as host in the afternoon so far. He found this article by Ryan Kennedy and then got him on the show, sounds simple yet something the main guys would never have bothered to do

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Can we not judge the things that have been said and what we know? I agree we can't jump to conclusions about what offers have transpired, but it's rather obtuse and Pollyanna to claim there's nothing wrong here.

Most situations like this end with the player signing and everyone happy. That doesn't mean they don't sometimes and there's no legitimate concern either.

Burke "negotiating in public" merits comments on it's face value as they don't seem to have any potential benefits and if nothing else could be inflammatory. Seems like a stupid tactic to me

Not in any meaningful way you can't. Precisely because you do not know what you do not know.

I mean it can be a fun way to waste time but it is still mostly a waste of time.

A court of appeal judge told me one time that a lawyer who she was friendly with appeared before her on a case. The lawyer argued rather anxiously because the normally engaging judge never asked her a single question about her argument.

The lawyer left dejected and very worried because she could tell that the judge was obviously put off by the argument and she couldn't figure out why. It bothered her for weeks until the judgment came out and the judge ruled in her favour.

When the lawyer saw her friend the judge at a conference later she asked, "how could you do that to me? you never asked a question...you hardly looked up from your paper? you always ask questions and engage in good arguments...I know you so well!"

The judge's response? "I had laryngitis. Your argument was compelling."

Sometimes when opposing sides are most certain that a deal will be reached it has the effect of prolonging the negotiations and ultimate conclusion. If you are genuinely afraid to lose the deal, you act quicker. I am not saying that is or is not happening, just that if any of the information we 'know' is accurate, it is probably the 2% least important information from which to make an informed judgment about what is really going on.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW Ryan Kennedy of THN on 960 says he asked agents which GM they liked dealing with the most and almost all of them said Treliving because he is a straight shooter.

He also said he is hearing there is no animosity between the sides in the negotiations between the Flames, Gaudreau, and Monahan, It is just due diligence as to why it is taking so long.

So, you are saying it is a process?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So, you are saying it is a process?

#Manypeoplearesaying it is a process.

[Strange Brew]

I don't really understand why the term 'due diligence' gets thrown around by media types. Generally that refers to digging into the background and underlying information regarding acquisition of an asset or company. In this case, I think both sides know what they have in each other. They obviously simply can't yet agree what is fair to both parties.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW Ryan Kennedy of THN on 960 says he asked agents which GM they liked dealing with the most and almost all of them said Treliving because he is a straight shooter.

He also said he is hearing there is no animosity between the sides in the negotiations between the Flames, Gaudreau, and Monahan, It is just due diligence as to why it is taking so long.

'the process'

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Wouldn't that be concerning?

Yup.
But that's why we don't know what's going on. So people saying "just sign him" are ignoring that the wrong deal could be very bad for the organization in the long run.
The deal needs to be right for both parties.