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View Poll Results: Assuming a term of 7 years what will Gaudreau's AAV end up being?
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6.500 - 6.625
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9 |
1.28% |
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6.625 - 6.750
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5 |
0.71% |
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6.750 - 6.875
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21 |
2.99% |
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6.875 - 7.000
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59 |
8.40% |
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7.000 - 7.125
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89 |
12.68% |
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7.125 - 7.250
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85 |
12.11% |
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7.250 - 7.375
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112 |
15.95% |
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7.375 - 7.500
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102 |
14.53% |
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7.500 - 7.625
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71 |
10.11% |
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7.625 - 7.750
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38 |
5.41% |
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7.750 - 7.875
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39 |
5.56% |
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7.875 - 8.000
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33 |
4.70% |
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8.000 - 8.125
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21 |
2.99% |
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8.125 - 8.250
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6 |
0.85% |
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8.250 - 8.375
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1 |
0.14% |
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8.375 - 8.500
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1.57% |
09-08-2016, 11:25 PM
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#761
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Except that the posters who wanted Iginla out for example were right, and the Flames lost tremendous value by not trading him sooner.
But anyway..
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Or they could have just built a better team and had him retire a Flame.
I guess I just wish the Flames ownership & management would allow for this. Draft and/or keep your best players until they retire.
The Flames have sucked for a long time. The two names getting thrown around as bigger than the team in Gaudreau and Iginla are the main reasons Calgary has seen any playoff success in the past ~30 years.
Sure, the theory that trading your best player when his value is high might pan out, but cup champions don't really ever do that.
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09-08-2016, 11:26 PM
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#762
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Or they could have just built a better team and had him retire a Flame.
I guess I just wish the Flames ownership & management would allow for this. Draft and/or keep your best players until they retire.
The Flames have sucked for a long time. The two names getting thrown around as bigger than the team in Gaudreau and Iginla are the main reasons Calgary has seen any playoff success in the past ~30 years.
Sure, the theory that trading your best player when his value is high might pan out, but cup champions don't really ever do that.
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ah yes. It's been awhile since we've done this, Frank. I'm not sure I'm up for it tonight though.
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09-08-2016, 11:27 PM
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#763
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Saying that posters are putting these words into your mouth insinuates that posters are saying this. Which they really aren't! No serious, rational poster has proposed trading Gaudreau for Hall. And he really ain't one-dimensional! Who is saying these things?
That wasn't rhetorical.
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That's not what I'm saying. The typical debate tactic I've had to slog through is the practice of "strawman" arguments. It's pervasive here. So I figured if I can't beat em, join em. Nobody else seems to have a problem with that method.
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09-08-2016, 11:27 PM
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#764
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
Enoch Root, for one.
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What exactly was said.
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09-08-2016, 11:28 PM
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#765
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First round-bust
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
Enoch Root, for one.
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Can you prove this? I highly doubt this is true, unless he's talking a really weird bridge deal or a really awful long-term deal -- both of which would never happen.
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09-08-2016, 11:29 PM
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#766
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Or they could have just built a better team and had him retire a Flame.
I guess I just wish the Flames ownership & management would allow for this. Draft and/or keep your best players until they retire.
The Flames have sucked for a long time. The two names getting thrown around as bigger than the team in Gaudreau and Iginla are the main reasons Calgary has seen any playoff success in the past ~30 years.
Sure, the theory that trading your best player when his value is high might pan out, but cup champions don't really ever do that.
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Yeah but what do cup champions have to do with the late 00's early 10's Flames? We were brutal and our window was closed so hard that the glass shattered.
It was over.
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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09-08-2016, 11:29 PM
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#767
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In the Sin Bin
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Last edited by Gaudreauvertime; 09-08-2016 at 11:31 PM.
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09-08-2016, 11:30 PM
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#768
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
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You do know what a bridge deal is, right?
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09-08-2016, 11:31 PM
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#769
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Franchise Player
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Conveniently ignores "bridge contract". God dammit Lewis.
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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09-08-2016, 11:32 PM
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#770
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Way, way too high for an RFA-only deal.
I would say 3 x $4.5M, except there won't be a bridge deal.
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He's talking about an RFA-only bridge deal.
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09-08-2016, 11:33 PM
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#771
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
He's talking about an RFA-only bridge deal.
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I know, and that's what I was talking about. You can't bridge the guy who was 6th in scoring for 4.5M per
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09-08-2016, 11:35 PM
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#772
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
I know, and that's what I was talking about. You can't bridge the guy who was 6th in scoring for 4.5M per
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Why can't you?
Monetary circumstances change with different terms. $4.5 on a bridge isn't saying that Gaudreau's worth under $5m.
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09-08-2016, 11:35 PM
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#773
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
That's not what I'm saying. The typical debate tactic I've had to slog through is the practice of "strawman" arguments. It's pervasive here. So I figured if I can't beat em, join em. Nobody else seems to have a problem with that method.
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Sorry man, but there's little to no strawmen coming from this side. By and large it's people countering with numbers, math and comparables because we think you're overvaluing and underrisking what Johnny could be.
This isn't a fight or anything catty. It's a good debate that's probably helped us all understand the situation a lot better. You just happen to be on the side with the tiny minority. That can probably feel overwhelming at times but don't stoop to silly stuff like that. You believe in what you believe in. I won't knock you for it. Heck, I like it because it'd be crickets in here at best and panic at worst. I will debate you on it though because I don't agree with you.
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09-08-2016, 11:36 PM
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#774
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Why can't you?
Monetary circumstances change with different terms. $4.5 on a bridge isn't saying that Gaudreau's worth under $5m.
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I didn't say that anyone claimed Gaudreau was worth less than 5. Reread my post please.
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09-08-2016, 11:38 PM
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#775
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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^ Great post, Frequitude. I think what we all ought to remember is that even during debates like this, we're all fans. These arguments can get heated, or intense, but that's because people on both sides of the debates on this awesome site are very passionate and knowledgeable about the game. I'll continue to debate you, Gaudreauvertime, because I disagree with you, but there's no animosity here.
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09-08-2016, 11:38 PM
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#776
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
I didn't say that anyone claimed Gaudreau was worth less than 5. Reread my post please.
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You literally said this:
Some people here think Johnny's are worth less than 5 lol
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09-08-2016, 11:39 PM
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#777
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Frequitude
Sorry man, but there's little to no strawmen coming from this side. By and large it's people countering with numbers, math and comparables because we think you're overvaluing and underrisking what Johnny could be.
This isn't a fight or anything catty. It's a good debate that's probably helped us all understand the situation a lot better. You just happen to be on the side with the tiny minority. That can probably feel overwhelming at times but don't stoop to silly stuff like that. You believe in what you believe in. I won't knock you for it. Heck, I like it because it'd be crickets in here at best and panic at worst. I will debate you on it though because I don't agree with you.
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You've been awesome in my interactions with you. Logical, reasonable, and thoughtful. But there have been many others who have not been.
You're right though, no need to stoop. Apologies.
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09-08-2016, 11:39 PM
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#778
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
I didn't say that anyone claimed Gaudreau was worth less than 5. Reread my post please.
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You most certainly did.
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm just surprised at how much his RFA years were worth. Some people here think Johnny's are worth less than 5 lol. Malkin's a great player, but he's not 2x better than the guy who just finished 6th in scoring, art ross or not.
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09-08-2016, 11:39 PM
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#779
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Franchise Player
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Holy #### he's Donald Trump. Says something, totally claims he didn't say it minutes later.
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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09-08-2016, 11:40 PM
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#780
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
You literally said this:
Some people here think Johnny's are worth less than 5 lol
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Yes, Johnny's RFA years. Not his value. Two different concepts.
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