Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[oldschoolcalgary]

I sure hope this is Francis being Francis...

i love Gaudreau, but an 8 million ask at this point seems pretty inflated.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Not sure that Tarasenko is renowned for his 2-way play ... He's pretty lost in the D-zone.

He's not ever gonna win a Selke but he's come a long way, started killing penalties this year for Hitch even.

Not like Johnny's terrible either in his own zone but I think that part of his game still has a long ways to go and is behind Tarasenko, subjective I guess but Tarasenko is a 220lb tank and that 70lbs makes a big difference in puck battles.

Not trying to crap on Johnny anyway, I love his game, I just don't see anything north of 7 mil as fair value. For me I'd put the 5 RFA years at 5-5.5 and his 2 or 3 UFA years at 8-8.5 max on the open market if that's what a proven consistent guy like Stamkos is getting. So I think the Flames are right in the ballpark on fair market value for a 7 or 8 year deal talking in that 6.5 per neighborhood.

Johnny forgoes some potential upside but the Flames trade some risk and security for that.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What is stupid is the viewpoint that the Flames are operating on something so simplistic or arbitrary.

I didn't specify the exact terms of such a cap. It just seems, from an outsider's perspective, that the Flames are trying to make their captain their highest-paid player. What is stupid is the viewpoint that things can't be simplified down to one sentence.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I sure hope this is Francis being Francis...

i love Gaudreau, but an 8 million ask at this point seems pretty inflated.

Like him or not - Francis has connections within the Flames. And he's broken a couple of big items.
And this jives with where the negotiations appear to be stalling.
So I think he's probably got something here that is pretty accurate.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Not trying to crap on Johnny anyway, I love his game, I just don't see anything north of 7 mil as fair value. For me I'd put the 5 RFA years at 5-5.5 and his 2 or 3 UFA years at 8-8.5 max on the open market if that's what a proven consistent guy like Stamkos is getting.So I think the Flames are right in the ballpark on fair market value for a 7 or 8 year deal talking in that 6.5 per neighborhood.

I'm with you on the UFA year value, but I think you're really selling short on the RFA years at only 5-5.5 per. Remember Monahan's contract structure:

RFA 1: 6.375
RFA 2: 6.375
RFA 3: 6.75
RFA 4: 6.75
UFA 1: 6.0
UFA 2: 6.125
UFA 3: 6.0

It's definitely peculiar that the UFA years are cheaper than RFA and I don't expect this phenomenon to happen with Johnny's contract, but Johnny's RFA years are not likely to come as cheap as you were hoping.

[ResAlien]

If Johnny's truly dead set on 8 maybe it's time to pick up the phone and see what Philly's willing to offer...

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I'm with you on the UFA year value, but I think you're really selling short on the RFA years at only 5-5.5 per. Remember Monahan's contract structure:

RFA 1: 6.375
RFA 2: 6.375
RFA 3: 6.75
RFA 4: 6.75
UFA 1: 6.0
UFA 2: 6.125
UFA 3: 6.0

It's definitely peculiar that the UFA years are cheaper than RFA and I don't expect this phenomenon to happen with Johnny's contract, but Johnny's RFA years are not likely to come as cheap as you were hoping.

There's no way he gets less for his 3 UFA years then his RFA years value wise. I think that's just how they are actually paying him the money and doesn't reflect the actual value per year.

My random guess on Monahan would be 5.5 x4 for his RFA years and then about 7.5 for his 3 UFA years.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Like him or not - Francis has connections within the Flames. And he's broken a couple of big items.
And this jives with where the negotiations appear to be stalling.
So I think he's probably got something here that is pretty accurate.

you are probably right considering how long things are taking... i am just hoping he is wrong...

hoping that they can try for a 4 year bridge at 7-7.5? (not sure if there is a better solution)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I sure hope this is Francis being Francis...

i love Gaudreau, but an 8 million ask at this point seems pretty inflated.

I recall Francis guaranteeing Bruce Boudreau was going to be named the Flames head coach so I would definately take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

you are probably right considering how long things are taking... i am just hoping he is wrong...

hoping that they can try for a 4 year bridge at 7-7.5? (not sure if there is a better solution)

If they are going to pay him anything beginning with the number 7...it better be for 7 or 8 years.

If its a bridge it simply cannot be anything North of 5-5.5

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

If Johnny's truly dead set on 8 maybe it's time to pick up the phone and see what Philly's willing to offer...

Barf. There are about 20 other teams that have a more attractive negotiating position than the Flyers. Not that I think the Flames are anywhere near the point of exploring trade options, but for a RFA with no NTC they will not be pigeonholed into dealing with one team.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

you are probably right considering how long things are taking... i am just hoping he is wrong...

hoping that they can try for a 4 year bridge at 7-7.5? (not sure if there is a better solution)

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I recall Francis guaranteeing Bruce Boudreau was going to be named the Flames head coach so I would definately take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Do you recall Francis saying Monahan was on the brink of being signed, followed by the next day, when Monahan was signed?

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I sure hope this is Francis being Francis...

i love Gaudreau, but an 8 million ask at this point seems pretty inflated.

If Francis were wrong Johnny would probably be signed by now. I think he's on to something here.

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I'm with you on the UFA year value, but I think you're really selling short on the RFA years at only 5-5.5 per. Remember Monahan's contract structure:

RFA 1: 6.375
RFA 2: 6.375
RFA 3: 6.75
RFA 4: 6.75
UFA 1: 6.0
UFA 2: 6.125
UFA 3: 6.0

It's definitely peculiar that the UFA years are cheaper than RFA and I don't expect this phenomenon to happen with Johnny's contract, but Johnny's RFA years are not likely to come as cheap as you were hoping.

Just because they front loaded the cash as a quasi-bonus doesn't mean that reflects how they valued his RFA and UFA years. My guess is the valuation was roughly 4x$5.5M + 3x$7.5 = 7x$6.375M.

[Mr.Coffee]

Personally I think Gaudreau is worth the 7 or 8 year deal for anywhere from 7-7.5MM, but I would stop there.

Also, to those saying Bennett could become just as good or better, honestly I don't see it in Bennett. Bennett strikes me as more of a really solid, 60 point guy. Not an 80 point superstar guy that I could see Gaudreau being. That said Bennett is still really young. I'm hoping Tkachuk could be a guy like that though.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Do you recall Francis saying Monahan was on the brink of being signed, followed by the next day, when Monahan was signed?

So sometimes he's right and sometimes he's wrong? Like I said take it with a grain of salt.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Treliving is a ****ing moron if he thinks he can get Johnny at 6.5 for term... Remember when it was Johnny's fault for the hold out because Calgary paid Monahan and therefore have already offered Johnny good money? Maybe I wasn't wrong after all?

He's our best player. Face of the franchise. Why would you insult him with low ball offers? If you don't want to pay him what he's worth, trade him to somebody who will. This is starting to get embarrassing.

[Mr.Coffee]

6.5 isn't a lowball at all. It's where a negotiator should start.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So sometimes he's right and sometimes he's wrong? Like I said take it with a grain of salt.

Oh? Do you know reporters that are right 100% of the time?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Treliving is a ****ing moron if he thinks he can get Johnny at 6.5 for term... Remember when it was Johnny's fault for the hold out because Calgary paid Monahan and therefore have already offered Johnny good money? Maybe I wasn't wrong after all?

He's our best player. Face of the franchise. Why would you insult him with low ball offers? If you don't want to pay him what he's worth, trade him to somebody who will. This is starting to get embarrassing.

I think your post is kind of embarrassing. According to you the Flames should roll over for all their RFA's and give them UFA paydays. Sorry but it doesn't work that way at all.