Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Manhattanboy]

My issue is with Friedman's quote:

"...word is the Calgary Flames were told Gaudreau does not wish to negotiate after his World Cup arrival, scheduled for Sept. 4, preferring to concentrate on the games. That moratorium would last for the duration of the event, which would be Oct. 1 if the final goes a full three games"

We would not be on page 28 if he had avoided the drama and simply reported JG's wishes (which I totally respect) that he not be involved in the process (and publicly discuss things) during the tournament. But to imply that negotiations between the Flames and the JG camp would be suspended for potentially a month is misleading.

But I realize part of a reporter's job is to sensationalize things and turn a non-story into a story.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Oh please let the hockey season start soon....

FROM: Office of the Recording Angel (gabriel@heaven.org)
TO: calgarywinning (somebodyorother@calgarypuck.com)
RE: Your prayer has been duly recorded.

Dear Sir or Madam:

Your prayer to let the hockey season start soon has been noted. Unfortunately, Heaven is not at liberty to alter the NHL schedule. If we were, we would be quite happy to have hockey all the year round; it is a popular pastime in these parts, especially since Mr. Howe arrived.

Meanwhile, back on Earth, the power to change the hockey season lies chiefly with Mr. Gary Bettman and Mr. Donald Fehr. Regrettably, neither of those gentlemen will accept orders from this office, and so you must petition them directly.

It may gratify you to know, however, that your prayer is at least unlikely to make them start the hockey season later than they had originally planned.

Yours faithfully,
GABRIEL (A. A.)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

My issue is with Friedman's quote:

"...word is the Calgary Flames were told Gaudreau does not wish to negotiate after his World Cup arrival, scheduled for Sept. 4, preferring to concentrate on the games. That moratorium would last for the duration of the event, which would be Oct. 1 if the final goes a full three games"

We would not be on page 28 if he had avoided the drama and simply reported JG's wishes (which I totally respect) that he not be involved in the process (and publicly discuss things) during the tournament. But to imply that negotiations between the Flames and the JG camp would be suspended for potentially a month is misleading.

But I realize part of a reporter's job is to sensationalize things and turn a non-story into a story.

What exactly did Friedman hear, and how do you know whether or not he reported it correctly? Please notice that his source for this comment appears to be from within the Flames, and there is no indication that he ever spoke directly to Gaudreau.

I think you need to lighten up.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

FROM: Office of the Recording Angel (gabriel@heaven.org)
TO: calgarywinning (somebodyorother@calgarypuck.com)
RE: Your prayer has been duly recorded.

Dear Sir or Madam:

Your prayer to let the hockey season start soon has been noted. Unfortunately, Heaven is not at liberty to alter the NHL schedule. If we were, we would be quite happy to have hockey all the year round; it is a popular pastime in these parts, especially since Mr. Howe arrived.

Meanwhile, back on Earth, the power to change the hockey season lies chiefly with Mr. Gary Bettman and Mr. Donald Fehr. Regrettably, neither of those gentlemen will accept orders from this office, and so you must petition them directly.

It may gratify you to know, however, that your prayer is at least unlikely to make them start the hockey season later than they had originally planned.

Yours faithfully,
GABRIEL (A. A.)

Very well written and me me laugh, but for the record I didn't invoke or call god for such a trivial matter. Love how you incorporated my name.

Now you have inspired me. Oh Lord Above if your Are LLLLISTENING. Which clearly you are since Gabriel the A.A. took time to quote on the forum instead of killing baby puppies, can YOU PUHLLLLEASSSSE make the flames win another cup. I know you have my soul from '88 and 89' and I know I lied to you about our contract in 2004'. I said you could take my girl for the flames winning the cup and I backed out at the last minute.

But LOOOrdy above, please let the Flames sign Gaudreau and then, Looordy, I know the universe is this big expanse and your a busy, but please refocus your god efforts on calgart and give us another cup.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think you need to lighten up.

I don't read the source of the quote the way you do. My point was to try to calm things down. I am not at all stressed about the status of JG's contract negotiations.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Oh please let the hockey season start soon....

Good call. Because this thread will be way better when it becomes a holdout instead of a negotiation.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

My point was to try to calm things down. I am not at all stressed about the status of JG's contract negotiations.

Sure.

I just don't think it is necessary to foist responsibility for the induced panic in this thread on Friedman's report. Like I said, for all we know he was passing on information as he received it.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

IMO, if it's 2-3 million over the life of the contract, then the Flames should stay pat. Why meet in the middle? They have the leverage.

Why bother negotiating at all then? Flames have all the leverage, right? Let's just give him his qualifying offer.

If the difference is 200k on AAV and Gaudreau is asking 7.75M or less on an 8 year deal, it would be foolish for the Flames to not at the very least compromise. They just signed Monahan 100-500k above his comparables. He's our best player, and will likely be the face of the franchise for the next decade, and you get him locked up for the entirety of his offensive prime. Is it really worth letting him sit to save $100k of cap space? Especially when doing so for any significant length of time could be the difference between making the playoffs and golfing?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Maybe Gaudreau should compromise then.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Maybe Gaudreau should compromise then.

You can't have one party compromise without the other. It's the very definition of a compromise. But CroFlames seemed to be against meeting in the middle in the hypothetical scenario where the player agreed to.

[The Familia]

Small rumour I have come across. Not sure if I believe it but....was told the sticking point between signing a new contract is not so much the money but that Gaudreau's agent wants to negotiate a percentage or royalty fee for every jersey sold with Gaudreau on the back. There apparently is no real rule about this and I don't know if any players have this stipulation in their contract, but teams and players can negotiate merchandise royalties if they wish. Just a little Orange Julius on this fine morning!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Vehemently disagree with the notion Monahan signed for upwards of half a million per season above his comparables as well. The Flames got a good fair deal for Sean, as pointed out in that signing thread if you care to read it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Can somone sum up what the rumoured asking contracts are for each side?

I check this thread every once in a while, but haven't really seen any numbers reported that aren't just shots in the dark.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

You can't have one party compromise without the other. It's the very definition of a compromise. But CroFlames seemed to be against meeting in the middle in the hypothetical scenario where the player agreed to.

In business deals that I'm negotiating, I don't just compromise and "meet in the middle" when negotiations come to a halt.

There's a reason that I'm at the position I am: because that's what my company can afford. In this instance, the Flames can't afford a higher cap hit because other players need to be signed. Meeting in the middle with Johnny would be dumb because the Flames hold all the leverage.

If the party I'm negotiating with doesn't meet me at my position, I walk away from the deal. I won't give things away cheaply. If Johnny wants something above and beyond market value, well you bridge him and then say goodbye.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Why bother negotiating at all then? Flames have all the leverage, right? Let's just give him his qualifying offer.

If the difference is 200k on AAV and Gaudreau is asking 7.75M or less on an 8 year deal, it would be foolish for the Flames to not at the very least compromise. They just signed Monahan 100-500k above his comparables. He's our best player, and will likely be the face of the franchise for the next decade, and you get him locked up for the entirety of his offensive prime. Is it really worth letting him sit to save $100k of cap space? Especially when doing so for any significant length of time could be the difference between making the playoffs and golfing?

I'm sure they'd love to do the same.

Tarasenko 8 years 7.5M adjusted with additional RFA year = 7.1 + 100K Monahan bonus

done 8 years 7.2M

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Can somone sum up what the rumoured asking contracts are for each side?



I check this thread every once in a while, but haven't really seen any numbers reported that aren't just shots in the dark.

That's because there aren't any reported numbers. Both sides have been air tight about the specifics in the negotiation, and ALL the figures you see tossed around in the media and online are complete guesses.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Can somone sum up what the rumoured asking contracts are for each side?

I check this thread every once in a while, but haven't really seen any numbers reported that aren't just shots in the dark.

The only thing that has been reported is that both sides would like a long term contract.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by The Familia

Small rumour I have come across. Not sure if I believe it but....was told the sticking point between signing a new contract is not so much the money but that Gaudreau's agent wants to negotiate a percentage or royalty fee for every jersey sold with Gaudreau on the back. There apparently is no real rule about this and I don't know if any players have this stipulation in their contract, but teams and players can negotiate merchandise royalties if they wish. Just a little Orange Julius on this fine morning!

I don't think so as as I am pretty sure that is a violation of the CBA. Where I think that rumour may stems from is a conversation on the radio with Duhatschek a while back. He basically mentioned that Gaudreau doesn't really have much leverage (doesn't have a ton of term in league or arb rights and can't be offer-sheeted). This is the only time the agent can try to use that marketing angle to show his cleints importance to the franchise.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Vehemently disagree with the notion Monahan signed for upwards of half a million per season above his comparables as well. The Flames got a good fair deal for Sean, as pointed out in that signing thread if you care to read it.

I agree. I would say Monahan was barely over his comparables, as MacKinnon only got 75K/year less and Barkov took a year less on his deal. Extrapolate Barkov to a 7 year deal and he gets much closer to the MacKinnon/Monahan numbers.
And to boot, Monahan has the best stats to date of the trio, though you could argue that will even out long term with this trio

Gaudreau has no real close, recent comparable, which is what is helping hold up talks, along with his agent making this deal the hill he dies on.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by The Familia

Small rumour I have come across. Not sure if I believe it but....was told the sticking point between signing a new contract is not so much the money but that Gaudreau's agent wants to negotiate a percentage or royalty fee for every jersey sold with Gaudreau on the back. There apparently is no real rule about this and I don't know if any players have this stipulation in their contract, but teams and players can negotiate merchandise royalties if they wish. Just a little Orange Julius on this fine morning!

Who "told" you this? Are you a sports insider or did you just read something on the internet like the rest of us?