Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Lumby Lager

When did this happen? I don't remember Giordano not playing because of a contract negotiation.

He didn't play an entire season because of one. Went to Russian in 2007-2008, think it was over a one-way deal which Sutter eventually gave him.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Thinking about what people have said regarding Johnny's agent pushing for his first superstar contract really makes me feel like we'll see a Giordano-like holdout. If I were him and Johnny was my first superstar client, I'd make sure (even if it was a losing battle from the start ) to go to bat for him until it's time to go home. Fight tooth and nail for every penny for him and go the distance. Raise a racket (WCH non-negotiating period), whatever it takes. That's what Johnny is trusting his agent to do while he concentrates on the hockey side - if the ask is not near what their camp wants, push back.

I agree that "time to go home" period for Johnny's camp would be the start of the regular season. He doesn't seem willing to sit out for games that matter.


But even then I'm not worried about the contract being an anchor. Gio held out... people were predicting 7.5, 7.25 etc for AAVs. The dream contract at the time (for me) would've been something like 6.75 for 5. We got 6.75 for 6 instead - I can't speak for others but that definitely made me happy. One year off.

Maybe we'll see a 6.75 / 6 for Johnny too - since Gio would be off the books at the same time, we could afford to bump him once contract is up for renewal.

What is this Gio holdout are you talking about? His most recent contract was an extension signed 10 months before his existing contract expired. That is the opposite of a hold out. Do you mean when he went to the KHL? I guess that was a hold out but it was over not getting a 1 way deal and is completely irrelevant to Gaudreau.

A better example would be Iginla holding out in 99 and missing the first three games of the season.

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

He went to Russia for a year when the Flames offered him a two-way contract. It's not a relevant comparable at all.

I know He played one year in Russia and MMF is correct, not even close to comparable. I would not even think that was a hold as more of a see I got better now sign me to a one way deal! The post reads like he held out last summer.

[Mr.Coffee]

I don't think there's any point in sitting around worrying or anything, but I think it's safe to say we can kiss playoffs goodbye with no Gaudreau for anything over 8 weeks.

Presuming Gaudreau is not being unreasonable, I think it is likely Flames management is trying to get a bit greedy on capspace knowing they have two more pending tough contracts down the road in Bennett and Tkachuk, so are likely sticking to their guns. Not sure on what the right answer is, but not sure it is destroying another October / November squabbling over a few bucks in capspace that could be made up elsewhere with some prudent management of expiring contracts and cheap depth replacements.

[taxbuster]

Well, I'm going to obsess over canning tomatoes, plums, making pesto and other great harvest things, and wait for the season to start before I start obsessing over a contract that will probably be signed by then.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So can we put an end to the Golly Gee Babe of the Woods routine we think Gaudreau has? Guy is playing the game now.

I like his dad as much as the next guy but he's a terrible substitute for his son.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I like his dad as much as the next guy but he's a terrible substitute for his son.

Well done. Guy Gaudreau gif, you deserve it.

Spoiler!

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Lumby Lager

I know He played one year in Russia and MMF is correct, not even close to comparable. I would not even think that was a hold as more of a see I got better now sign me to a one way deal! The post reads like he held out last summer.

That's what I meant, as in letting negotiations go until the breaking point (start of camp last season).

Judging by the reactions, I suppose I made a godawful choice of words when I referred to it as a holdout.

[robaur]

MOD EDIT: please no.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don't think there's any point in sitting around worrying or anything, but I think it's safe to say we can kiss playoffs goodbye with no Gaudreau for anything over 8 weeks.

Presuming Gaudreau is not being unreasonable, I think it is likely Flames management is trying to get a bit greedy on capspace knowing they have two more pending tough contracts down the road in Bennett and Tkachuk, so are likely sticking to their guns. Not sure on what the right answer is, but not sure it is destroying another October / November squabbling over a few bucks in capspace that could be made up elsewhere with some prudent management of expiring contracts and cheap depth replacements.

Why would we assume that Gaudreau isn't asking for anything unreasonable anymore than we'd assume the Flames are trying to get greedy with cap space? What would make lean one way or the other on that?

I think there are two most likely scenarios on the current apparent impass. One, the two sides are fundamentally disagreeing on what "reasonable" is. I very much doubt either side is letting this negotiation go on well into September over as you stated, over a few bucks that the Flames could likely make up with some prudent management. We can trounce out all the comparables we want, but when signing 2nd year pros to long term deals, the activity is much more about predicting the future than what have others your age accomplished and then subsequently signed for. Gaudreau's camp is likely using their delorean to travel to a world where JG is the biggest star and name in the NHL asking the Flames if they want to be logo he wears for the ride. The Flames, while optimistic about his future are likely not 100% convinced JG is even the most important young asset they have on the roster, let alone the next biggest star in the NHL.

Thus we could be talking about a little more than just a few bucks BT might just need to work a little harder to find.

The second scenario I can envision is a little scarier for us. JG may not be asking out, but maybe he wants a premium to lock up long term with a team this far away from home. One he might not be asking every team for. If that's the case thus could get scary.

I'm inclined to think it's the first scenario. But I doubt this is still being negotiated cause BT grew alligator arms with JG.

[Freeway]

Nit-picking: Giordano went to the Russian Superleague, not the KHL.

[Alpha_Q]

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[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

you're a towel.

You'll have to speak up, I'm a towel.

[Clarkey]

He's a kid in an RFA position, Brad grinds him out for maybe 2 months max into the season (likely earlier) and he signs for what we need, probably 7.25x6. It's a negotiation and Brad is in the driving seat and he knows it. John-John didn't skip out on finishing college to be sitting on the pine. He wants to play and is just happy as a pig in doo-doo to be playing in the NHL with his new buds, if the team does well 10 games in he's going to be chomping at the bit to get in there, if they struggle he's going to be even more eager to get in there because he knows a team has a small window early on in the season to make the playoffs and he wants to win. Both sides will do well here and Johnny will be putting up the points in late November (if not earlier).

[djsFlames]

They're not going to take 2 months of the SEASON to hammer it out.

Holy ####, honestly....

Everything goes south, MAYBE, opening night. At worst.

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Well, I'm going to obsess over canning tomatoes, plums, making pesto and other great harvest things, and wait for the season to start before I start obsessing over a contract that will probably be signed by then.

Have you ever tried a garlic scape pesto? It is the best!

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They're not going to take 2 months of the SEASON to hammer it out.

Holy ####, honestly....

Everything goes south, MAYBE, opening night. At worst.

What makes you so certain about that? If I'm Gaudreau that's what I'd have to be prepared to do to push the Flames to move.

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

That's what I meant, as in letting negotiations go until the breaking point (start of camp last season).

Judging by the reactions, I suppose I made a godawful choice of words when I referred to it as a holdout.

Not a bad choice of words at all! Just a lost in translation thing that almost never happens on a public forum.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

He's a kid in an RFA position, Brad grinds him out for maybe 2 months max into the season (likely earlier) and he signs for what we need, probably 7.25x6. It's a negotiation and Brad is in the driving seat and he knows it. John-John didn't skip out on finishing college to be sitting on the pine. He wants to play and is just happy as a pig in doo-doo to be playing in the NHL with his new buds, if the team does well 10 games in he's going to be chomping at the bit to get in there, if they struggle he's going to be even more eager to get in there because he knows a team has a small window early on in the season to make the playoffs and he wants to win. Both sides will do well here and Johnny will be putting up the points in late November (if not earlier).

If Brad "grinds" Gaudreau out and the best he can do is 7.25M for 6 years, Brad completely gets demolished in this negotiation.

If Gaudreau is getting 7M+, I think it has to be 7 if not 8 years.

[Mr.Coffee]

Well, I would get prepared to be disappointed then.

You people are aware Gaudreau finished 6th in NHL scoring last year? The way people are talking about him is hilarious but understandable, only because he's working on a Flames contract.

Huberdeau (RFA) just signed for 5.9MM AAV today, and Gaudreau is cleared of this guy by another 20 or so points...