Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[blender]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Not much logic here. Gaudreau has a ton of leverage. When has a similar situation ever worked out well for a team? He's their best player, it does the flames no good to get into a prolonged contract dispute/negotiation with him. They are a worse team with out him in the line up. Full stop. He's a huge draw here in Calgary and elsewhere. He sells tickets & merchandise. He is an asset. The flames had better get him signed to a long term contract, or deal him before the season starts. They would get a enormous package for him. He is one of the most skilled players in the league. There is almost no one else in the league like him. Closest comparable would have to be Kane, or maybe datsyuk (even though he's gone).

He was a top 10 scorer in the league in his second season. It's likely he will be a top five scorer for the next decade plus/minus a few years on either side. He makes players around him better & might be the most skilled player the flames have ever had in their line up.

If I'm Jonny and his agent, I'm not even answering the phone if the conversation starts with anything less than 8 for 7 years. If the flames want 8 years, the price goes up.

Disagree with several points.
I believe Brodie is the best player on the Flames, evidenced by the teams performance with him out of the lineup.
There are many players in the league with similar or better scoring abilities. No knock on Johnny at all but he is somewhat unproven as an elite NHL scorer. The Flames know this and will bargain accordingly.
The Flames have had many highly skilled players over the years. Kent Nilsson obviously had the same type of skill set, but Iginla was undoubtedly the best player in the league for a couple of seasons and many players on the team in the late 80s were phenomenal talents.
His leverage is quite limited as well.
I just believe it is wrong to over-hype Gaudreau at this stage of his career. I may be wrong, but I think he will take Monahan money for 6ish years or a bridge deal.

[cannon7]

I'm tempted to give Gaudreau a bridge deal and revisit his commitment to the Flames when he's an RFA again. Will be a more valuable asset at that point than he would be at the end of a six year deal.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by blender

Disagree with several points.
I believe Brodie is the best player on the Flames, evidenced by the teams performance with him out of the lineup.
There are many players in the league with similar or better scoring abilities. No knock on Johnny at all but he is somewhat unproven as an elite NHL scorer. The Flames know this and will bargain accordingly.
The Flames have had many highly skilled players over the years. Kent Nilsson obviously had the same type of skill set, but Iginla was undoubtedly the best player in the league for a couple of seasons and many players on the team in the late 80s were phenomenal talents.
His leverage is quite limited as well.
I just believe it is wrong to over-hype Gaudreau at this stage of his career. I may be wrong, but I think he will take Monahan money for 6ish years or a bridge deal.

It's debatable whether TJ Brodie is the best defenseman on his team let alone best player.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think his leverage is plentiful, given the outrage that would occur if he's not signed by opening night. That's a lot of pressure on management and a huge distraction to a team that will be with a new coach and in need of a strong start to make the playoffs.

Letting your franchise player sit on the side lines isn't a great way of signaling to the fans that you're serious about winning. He's our best player. You pay your best players. If Monahan got 6.4, Gaudreau is easily worth 7.5-8 IMO.

So I think he's got plenty of leverage.

I'll be outraged alright, if Gaudreau isn't in the lineup on opening night. You're completely wrong though in believing my outrage will be directed at the Flames management.

Gaudreau is one of my favorite players in a very long time, don't get me wrong. But we can reasonably assume that he has been offered, at a bare minimum, the same 6.375M AAV x 7 yr contract that Monahan just signed. That's an incredible deal for a LW that, while one of the most offensively gifted players in the game, is still very undersized, very soft, and has a whopping 160 NHL GP on his resume.

If Gaudreau's camp can not accept a deal based on the framework of this Monahan contract, you can bet your ass I will be outraged, and it won't be at Treliving.



For the sake of comparing, at the conclusion of their ELCs:

Kane - Regular Season:
244GP - 76G - 154A - 230PTS - .943PPG
Gaudreau - Regular Season:
160GP - 55G - 88A - 143PTS - .894PPG

Kane - Playoffs:
38GP - 19G - 23A - 42PTS - 1.105PPG - Stanley Cup Winner
Gaudreau - Playoffs:
11GP - 4G - 5A - 9PTS - .818PPG

Kane signed a 5yr x 6.300M AAV following that ELC. Important to keep in mind though that the salary cap going into the 2010/11 season was 59.4M. Adjusting for cap inflation, that would put Kane's contract @ 7.742M AAV in today's dollars. Remember too, that Kane was offer-sheet eligible.

Gaudreau hasn't earned that contract. An AAV in the 6.750M range is more than fair. Just because St.Louis overpaid Tarasenko by a million last year doesn't mean the Flames have to do the same.

[442scotty]

At the end of the day I hope Johnny gets a contract he's happy with... as the saying goes, a Happy Johnny is a happy life...

[blender]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It's debatable whether TJ Brodie is the best defenseman on his team let alone best player.

Everything is debatable. Like the fact that defensemen are more valuable than forwards.

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'll be outraged alright, if Gaudreau isn't in the lineup on opening night. You're completely wrong though in believing my outrage will be directed at the Flames management.

Gaudreau is one of my favorite players in a very long time, don't get me wrong. But we can reasonably assume that he has been offered, at a bare minimum, the same 6.375M AAV x 7 yr contract that Monahan just signed. That's an incredible deal for a LW that, while one of the most offensively gifted players in the game, is still very undersized, very soft, and has a whopping 160 NHL GP on his resume.

If Gaudreau's camp can not accept a deal based on the framework of this Monahan contract, you can bet your ass I will be outraged, and it won't be at Treliving.



For the sake of comparing, at the conclusion of their ELCs:

Kane - Regular Season:
244GP - 76G - 154A - 230PTS - .943PPG
Gaudreau - Regular Season:
160GP - 55G - 88A - 143PTS - .894PPG

Kane - Playoffs:
38GP - 19G - 23A - 42PTS - 1.105PPG - Stanley Cup Winner
Gaudreau - Playoffs:
11GP - 4G - 5A - 9PTS - .818PPG

Kane signed a 5yr x 6.300M AAV following that ELC. Important to keep in mind though that the salary cap going into the 2010/11 season was 59.4M. Adjusting for cap inflation, that would put Kane's contract @ 7.742M AAV in today's dollars. Remember too, that Kane was offer-sheet eligible.

Gaudreau hasn't earned that contract. An AAV in the 6.750M range is more than fair. Just because St.Louis overpaid Tarasenko by a million last year doesn't mean the Flames have to do the same.

Quoted for truth.


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[sun]

Originally Posted by FBI

Was it Johnny or Mony that had the dbag agent?

Redundant.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'll be outraged alright, if Gaudreau isn't in the lineup on opening night. You're completely wrong though in believing my outrage will be directed at the Flames management.

Gaudreau is one of my favorite players in a very long time, don't get me wrong. But we can reasonably assume that he has been offered, at a bare minimum, the same 6.375M AAV x 7 yr contract that Monahan just signed. That's an incredible deal for a LW that, while one of the most offensively gifted players in the game, is still very undersized, very soft, and has a whopping 160 NHL GP on his resume.

If Gaudreau's camp can not accept a deal based on the framework of this Monahan contract, you can bet your ass I will be outraged, and it won't be at Treliving.



For the sake of comparing, at the conclusion of their ELCs:

Kane - Regular Season:
244GP - 76G - 154A - 230PTS - .943PPG
Gaudreau - Regular Season:
160GP - 55G - 88A - 143PTS - .894PPG

Kane - Playoffs:
38GP - 19G - 23A - 42PTS - 1.105PPG - Stanley Cup Winner
Gaudreau - Playoffs:
11GP - 4G - 5A - 9PTS - .818PPG

Kane signed a 5yr x 6.300M AAV following that ELC. Important to keep in mind though that the salary cap going into the 2010/11 season was 59.4M. Adjusting for cap inflation, that would put Kane's contract @ 7.742M AAV in today's dollars. Remember too, that Kane was offer-sheet eligible.

Gaudreau hasn't earned that contract. An AAV in the 6.750M range is more than fair. Just because St.Louis overpaid Tarasenko by a million last year doesn't mean the Flames have to do the same.

Tarasenko's contract is more because they bought UFA years. The Kane deal didn't include UFA years...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It's debatable whether TJ Brodie is the best defenseman on his team let alone best player.

2013-15 Giordano certainly gives 2014-16 Brodie a run. Both would have a decent case for the best individual defenseman in the NHL with the way they played in those stretches. But 2015-16 Brodie > 2015-16 Giordano for sure.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Tarasenko's contract is more because they bought UFA years. The Kane deal didn't include UFA years...

This is exactly it...Kane got a 5 year deal and look what he makes now

calculate the 7 year cap hit for Kane

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It's debatable whether TJ Brodie is the best defenseman on his team let alone best player.

No, it isn't. Gio went down, the team made the playoffs and won a round on the back of TJ Brodie.

Brodie goes down for ten games and the entire year was over before it began.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No, it isn't. Gio went down, the team made the playoffs and won a round on the back of TJ Brodie.

Brodie goes down for ten games and the entire year was over before it began.

It's not that simple. Gio was coming off an injury and needed time to get his game back. The goalies also decided to forget how to play at the same time.

When Gio went down the team goes into rally mode to make up for his loss, no such thing for Brodie because at the beginning of the season there is no history to rally behind.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

The Internet literally isn't complete without an argument about the literal meaning of literally.

Fixed your post.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No, it isn't. Gio went down, the team made the playoffs and won a round on the back of TJ Brodie.

Brodie goes down for ten games and the entire year was over before it began.

With a pylon in net

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Literally fixed your post.

Fixed that for you, literally.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Tarasenko's contract is more because they bought UFA years. The Kane deal didn't include UFA years...

Those deals did buy one year of UFA rights. I'm sure Chicago would happily go back in time and add 800k per year to get two more years on those deals today.

Gaudreau is an unique case because he can't be offer sheeted aND had no atitration rights. He really only can with hold service as a bargaining tactic. So for that reason I would think his camp would be more interested in a shorter term deal. The Flames can be patient here, they can potentially get great value here if they can secure a long term.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No, it isn't. Gio went down, the team made the playoffs and won a round on the back of TJ Brodie.

Brodie goes down for ten games and the entire year was over before it began.

No question Brodie is one of the top 5 players on this team. Take your pick between monahan, Gio, gaudreau, Brodie, and maybe Hamilton. They all bring different things.

Going back to the original argument, Gaudreau would be more difficult to replace. Brodie is a top pairing d on every team in the league (off the top of my head) but he's not a true No1. He's not Aaron Ekblad, Alex Pietroangelo, Drew Doighty or Erik Karlson. He's Ducan Keith light.

Gaudreau looks to be an elite scoring forward for the next decade. If the flames nickel & dime him, he might not forget about it come next contract. I'm sure he he likes Calgary, but I'm fairly sure would have no problem going closer to home.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

^ I really don't think you can 'take your pick' as far as deciding who the best/most important players on this team are.

1. Brodie
2. Gaudreau
.
3. Gio/Monahan
4. Monahan/Gio
.
.
5. Backlund
6. Hamilton
7. Frolik

Just how I see it. I could see Hamilton climbing up the list this year though. Not sure where Brouwer factors in but he's probably solidly in that third tier.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

^ I really don't think you can 'take your pick' as far as deciding who the best/most important players on this team are.

1. Brodie
2. Gaudreau
.
3. Gio/Monahan
4. Monahan/Gio
.
.
5. Backlund
6. Frolik
7. Hamilton

Just how I see it. I could see Hamilton climbing up the list this year though. Not sure where Brouwer factors in but he's probably solidly in that third tier.

Bennett may also climb up the list this season.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Bennett may also climb up the list this season.

Definitely. He's kind of a wild card for me at the moment. His potential is insane but I'm not to what extent he realizes it or if this is the year.