Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[pylon]

Originally Posted by sun

Dunno who pylon's "credible source" is, but mine says the opposite. Framework of the deal is done, just hammering out relatively minor details. Dunno if it's long term or bridge, but word is he will sign at some point. Didn't really feel comfortable posting this, but the frothing at the mouth ITT is reaching all new frothyness. Mods can PM for source.

I say we get back to gifs. Or turn this thread into the new You Love You Lose - at least then it will be locked.

And I hope you're right. And I'm wrong.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Maybe both sources are correct?

Perhaps there are no talks between Gaudreau's Agent and Treliving because there's already a deal in place. It could very well be that they need the Smid LTIR cap space for the deal to work now.

[speeds]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Stamkos's contract is all UFA years. Gaudreau should not be the player setting the highest RFA contract value in the history of the league.

FWIW, Stamkos got 7.5M as an RFA (well, 5 year deal, 4 of which were RFA) back when the cap was 64M in 11/12, but his two previous years at the end of his ELC were relatively higher scoring than Gaudreau's.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Maybe both sources are correct?

Perhaps there are no talks between Gaudreau's Agent and Treliving because there's already a deal in place. It could very well be that they need the Smid LTIR cap space for the deal to work now.

There is no need to wait for Smid's LTIR. They can go over the cap by 10% before the season starts. Once the season starts they can put Smid on LTIR and they would be fine.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Fire

There is no need to wait for Smid's LTIR. They can go over the cap by 10% before the season starts. Once the season starts they can put Smid on LTIR and they would be fine.

That's what I originally thought, but apparently isn't the case. There's a period between the season starting and LTIR opening that you need to be cap compliant by.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

That's what I originally thought, but apparently isn't the case. There's a period between the season starting and LTIR opening that you need to be cap compliant by.

They could always paper send down Bennett and clear up ~$4 million if they really had to.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

That's what I originally thought, but apparently isn't the case. There's a period between the season starting and LTIR opening that you need to be cap compliant by.

And if Gaudreau isn't signed before then, the Flames will be nowhere close to the cap ceiling and will receive exactly $0 in cap relief from moving Smid to LTIR.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Based on the Saad contract I think the idea that Gaudreau is calling the shots is overblown. Saad was traded from a cup champ and signed for money way higher than he was worth. I bet if he could do a re-do he would have gotten Gross to bend a little on the dollars to not be stuck playing in Columbus Ohio on a perennial bottom feeder. This is simply a greedy agent in a player's ears.

Laugh.

I'm sure Saad is just fine with his 2 cups and 36 million dollars.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by pylon

. I said he'll be signed before the World Cup. The fact that training camp has started now makes me believe it might have legs.

I never expected him to be signed before the World Cup. It would have been nice but was hardly a requirement.

I was hopeful, but not expecting him to be signed for training camp either.

But he's not the only star player yet unsigned. Hampus Lindholm is the best defenseman on the Ducks. Rickard Rakell was incredible last year. Nikita Kucherov is a potential art ross guy himself.

He's also not the first star player whose agent pushes for early UFA in contract negotiatons. How many UFA years did guys in warm USA, like Kopitar, Hedman, Benn, Stamkos, etc have on their previous deals? UFA years do come expensive. It's the agent's job to maximize a player's career earnings. The problem is Treliving didn't ink him to an extension soon enough and let the ask creep up and up as a PPG year went along.

He's also not the first young player to ask for an overpay. Ekblad is 40 point defenseman who is signed for Tarasenko money.

The timeline for Gaudreau was, is, and will be Game 1 of the season. If he signs a five year deal even that is not the end of the world. It just means he has leverage to get his big payday on his UFA retirement contract.

I said before, the sooner we extend Bennett the better for the same reason. Otherwise I expect those negotiations to drag on too. In favour of the player. The Canadian player.

Nothing about these contract negotiations will prove Gaudreau the person is zealous to bail. Even if he ends up signing player-friendly deal rather than team-friendly.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

That's what I originally thought, but apparently isn't the case. There's a period between the season starting and LTIR opening that you need to be cap compliant by.

I don't see how that would be the case. The Red Wings are over the cap currently by $4 million. They have a lot of forwards listed on the salary cap sites, but even if they send down 4 forwards it wouldn't be enough to get under the cap. They would be relying on the LTIR of Franzen/Kronwall to get them compliant.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

They could always paper send down Bennett and clear up ~$4 million if they really had to.

Is that how that works? Wouldn't any potential bonuses a rookie hits count against next year's cap?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Fire

I don't see how that would be the case. The Red Wings are over the cap currently by $4 million. They have a lot of forwards listed on the salary cap sites, but even if they send down 4 forwards it wouldn't be enough to get under the cap. They would be relying on the LTIR of Franzen/Kronwall to get them compliant.

You can put guys on LTIR prior to opening day but it's much more advantageous to be under the cap on opening day and then put guys on, particularly if that player is out long term like Smid is. Sometimes that isn't possible, but teams usually go to great lengths to ensure that it is because there's much more flexibility in terms of maximizing LTIR space.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by pylon

FWIW, I heard what I heard about 4-5 weeks ago, and called it out as BS at the time. I said he'll be signed before the World Cup. The fact that training camp has started now makes me believe it might have legs. It 100% came from someone in a position to be in the right circles to get it.

To be clear, what I heard exactly, was he wanted to sign no farther than UFA eligibility, and the Flames had offered him maximum term, and money wasn't necessarily the object, and Johnny's side won't move.

If this source was as reliable as you claim, why would you call it out as BS initially? Obviously this source can't be that reliable if your first instinct is to call bull####

[stang]

There is a period where you have to be cap compliant before the LTIR kicks in. There was a season where the flames sent someone down for the start of the season (backlund I think but I may be wrong)

Also LTIR doesn't help with bonuses. That's where the oilers are. LTIR allows you to go OVER the cap by that amount during the time it's active. At the end of the season the LTIR becomes inactive and then the bonuses are tallied.

So really Ference's last year is dead weight because we won't spend into his LTIR (by going over the cap) because we need the cushion for bonuses

[stang]

There is a period where you have to be cap compliant before the LTIR kicks in. There was a season where the flames sent someone down for the start of the season (backlund I think but I may be wrong)

Also LTIR doesn't help with bonuses. That's where the oilers are. LTIR allows you to go OVER the cap by that amount during the time it's active. At the end of the season the LTIR becomes inactive and then the bonuses are tallied.

So really Ference's last year is dead weight because we won't spend into his LTIR (by going over the cap) because we need the cushion for bonuses

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's also not the first young player to ask for an overpay. Ekblad is 40 point defenseman who is signed for Tarasenko money.

Wow...Ekblad isn't overpaid at all. Kid is a goddam stud. That's going to be a beautiful contract in the future.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Wow...Ekblad isn't overpaid at all. Kid is a goddam stud. That's going to be a beautiful contract in the future.

Yeah, but he's the fifth highest paid defenceman in the NHL.

He sure as heck isn't the fifth best. He's getting paid for potential.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by stang

There is a period where you have to be cap compliant before the LTIR kicks in. There was a season where the flames sent someone down for the start of the season (backlund I think but I may be wrong)

Also LTIR doesn't help with bonuses. That's where the oilers are. LTIR allows you to go OVER the cap by that amount during the time it's active. At the end of the season the LTIR becomes inactive and then the bonuses are tallied.

So really Ference's last year is dead weight because we won't spend into his LTIR (by going over the cap) because we need the cushion for bonuses

My understanding is this changed and players can go on LTIR the day before rosters are set.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

My understanding is this changed and players can go on LTIR the day before rosters are set.

I haven't heard of that... but that may be true. Stupid complicated CBA.

I haven't looked into it from that angle because it's not an issue for the Oilers. Everyone signed and 8 million in cap space. I do know that's Ference's LTIR does nothing for us. And actually does hinder us if we want to get say a Trouba.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by stang

I haven't heard of that... but that may be true. Stupid complicated CBA.

I haven't looked into it from that angle because it's not an issue for the Oilers. Everyone signed and 8 million in cap space. I do know that's Ference's LTIR does nothing for us. And actually does hinder us if we want to get say a Trouba.

I can't see any way that the Bruins for Flyers would have been cap complaint on opening day when they had Savard and Pronger on LTIR.