Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[stang]

Originally Posted by jg13

Look at this photograph

Every time I do it makes me laugh.
Why did that guy fall on his head?
And whys the sea so goddamn red?

[CroFlames]

Haha. Worth Stamkos money as an RFA with no arb rights?

He better score 70 goals then next year and be 60% in the face off circle.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by pylon

I disagree. The league is going more in the "What have you done for me lately?" direction. Look how many guys can't get contracts now in their early 30's. I'd be looking for job security too.

I don't necessarily say I'm happy with Johnny's stance. But I cannot blame him. He is a special player. And his tires have been pumped more than any Flame ever, on both sides of the border. Iginla included.

IMO if he was Canadian, and not getting crazy coverage south of the border, the deal is already done. But he knows how much more marketable he is on the East Coast US.

Take the contract out of the equation even. He could be looking at couple million more in endorsements by signin g south of the border. In Canada you get sponsored by McCain fruit punch "Elvis Stoyko goes for the gold, and gets GREAT taste!" or in his case Pizza 73. Tim Hortons if you are Sid the Kid hocking crappy cardboard sandwiches.

Down there it's a whole different ball game. Especially from the region he's from.

It would honestly be bad business sense for him to sign here, as bad as it sounds.

Johnny can disagree all he wants, but UFA contracts have historically been 25-50% higher than RFA contracts of similar value players. Gaudreau can't just decide he's going to be the one to change that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Probably wanting to get his feet wet in the NHL, Calgary gave him the opportunity to showcase what he has. He would have been a big unknown to a lot of teams before he played his first season. No guarantee he would get a contract.

I'm hoping those rumors aren't true.

I also hope those rumors are not true. Johnny would have had 29 teams offer him a deal if he went back to college where his brother went and his Mom wanted him to stay.

He has said he loves it here and he is very good friends with Monahan. I get why people think Johnny wants out but I am not buying it yet

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Based on the Saad contract I think the idea that Gaudreau is calling the shots is overblown. Saad was traded from a cup champ and signed for money way higher than he was worth. I bet if he could do a re-do he would have gotten Gross to bend a little on the dollars to not be stuck playing in Columbus Ohio on a perennial bottom feeder. This is simply a greedy agent in a player's ears.

Prove it.

[polak]

Originally Posted by pylon

IMO if he was Canadian, and not getting crazy coverage south of the border, the deal is already done. But he knows how much more marketable he is on the East Coast US.

Take the contract out of the equation even. He could be looking at couple million more in endorsements by signing south of the border. In Canada you get sponsored by McCain fruit punch "Elvis Stoyko goes for the gold, and gets GREAT taste!" or in his case Pizza 73. Tim Hortons if you are Sid the Kid hocking crappy cardboard sandwiches.

Johnny, just like any hockey player not named Gretzky, will ALWAYS be more marketable in Canada than anywhere in the states.

It's not even close. Being the best Hockey player doesn't mean much in the US when hockey is fighting to be the 5th most popular pro sport with MLS....

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Prove it.

It's training camp and the player hasn't signed.

[ClubFlames]

I don't know how much I believe the whole he doesn't wanna play for Calgary anymore thing. He had a loophole where he could have just gone back to school for the 4th year and signed with whoever he pleased. He even went against his mother's wish and promised her he will finish his education in the summer.

The Flames, fans, city has done nothing to change his mind otherwise, where he has soured on anything. His parents were treated like royalty whenever they are in the Dome watching him play. Unless the whole negotiation process has made him change his mind then I don't know.

I just want him to sign dammit!

[jaikorven]

Now we are back to the endorsement argument which was debunked long ago in either this thread or another one similar to this. Also please give us these so called credible sources or IMO that's just a bunch of idle speak with no substance, at all.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

It's training camp and the player hasn't signed.

That means poor widdle Johnny is being manipulated by his evil, greedy agent?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

That means poor widdle Johnny is being manipulated by his evil, greedy agent?

I'd say so.

He hasn't signed the for the big payday yet = poor

He's 5'9" 150 lbs = widdle

It's training camp and the player doesn't have a deal. Why? Agent wants more than what the team is offering. It's not like the team is offering $0 per year for 8 years.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Probably wanting to get his feet wet in the NHL, Calgary gave him the opportunity to showcase what he has. He would have been a big unknown to a lot of teams before he played his first season. No guarantee he would get a contract.

I'm hoping those rumors aren't true.

Gaudreau won the Hobey Baker his junior year. If he went back for his senior year and put up similar or even better numbers, there's no doubt he would get a contract.

Originally Posted by pylon

I disagree. The league is going more in the "What have you done for me lately?" direction. Look how many guys can't get contracts now in their early 30's. I'd be looking for job security too.

I don't necessarily say I'm happy with Johnny's stance. But I cannot blame him. He is a special player. And his tires have been pumped more than any Flame ever, on both sides of the border. Iginla included.

IMO if he was Canadian, and not getting crazy coverage south of the border, the deal is already done. But he knows how much more marketable he is on the East Coast US.

Take the contract out of the equation even. He could be looking at couple million more in endorsements by signing south of the border. In Canada you get sponsored by McCain fruit punch "Elvis Stoyko goes for the gold, and gets GREAT taste!" or in his case Pizza 73. Tim Hortons if you are Sid the Kid hocking crappy cardboard sandwiches.

Down there it's a whole different ball game. Especially from the region he's from.

It would honestly be bad business sense for him to sign here, as bad as it sounds.

This isn't the NBA where players are signing 100+ million dollar shoe deals.

Crosby (4.5M/yr) or Ovechkin (3.5M/yr), the next closest is Stamkos at 1.7M/yr. NHL endorsements in the US are not that substantial compared to what they would make in Canada.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Because Stamkos was a UFA and Gaudreau has 5 RFA years? Does that actually need repeating. I don't buy your sources at all to be honest. He has said several times he wants to play in Calgary, is always liking Flames related pictures on social media and the biggest telling point is he could have been an unrestricted free agent if he waited one more year in college.

Absolutely nothing points to him not wanting to play in Calgary. This is simply a money/term issue.

And that is fine, you can or cannot believe them, because I would never name them. That is your choice. I could be BS'ing for all you know. I'm not out to try and convince anyone. And you think he would honestly publicly state he doesn't want to play here at this point?

When he signed here, I don't even think Johnny expected to tear up the league like he did. Any shot in the league was better than none at that point. He was in no position to make any demands. Now that he is, maybe he's decided that he wants to play where he's always dreamed of playing. I'd do the same thing. As a Canadian, I would prefer to play in a Canadian market, I cannot see why people think and American would do the same.

As awesome as we think this place is... Americans tend to beg to differ.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Based on the Saad contract I think the idea that Gaudreau is calling the shots is overblown. Saad was traded from a cup champ and signed for money way higher than he was worth. I bet if he could do a re-do he would have gotten Gross to bend a little on the dollars to not be stuck playing in Columbus Ohio on a perennial bottom feeder. This is simply a greedy agent in a player's ears.

The first year of his contract he got 30+ goals to lead his team in scoring and goal scoring despite missing time. 6M is not "way higher than he was worth." He has comparable numbers to the RFA crew that recently signed, and he's getting paid comparable money:

Mackinnon, 6M+, 21 goals, 52 points.
Scheifele, 6M+, 29 goals, 61 points.
Monahan, 6M+, 27 goals, 63 points.
Barkov, 6M, 28 goals, 59 points.
Huberdeau, 6M, 20 goals, 59 points.
Forsberg, 6M, 33 goals, 64 points.

From the same draft:
Huberdeau - 58-114-172 in 272 games. 0.63 PPG.
Saad - 83-96-179 in 286 games. 0.63 PPG.

Huberdeau did a bridge contract, but starting next year he gets 5.9M (in Florida no less, with its low taxes), a NMC when available and signing bonuses for CBA protection. Saad had a backloaded contract. Comparable situations, but Huberdeau gets more take home pay and the comfort of the NMC.

[polak]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

I don't know how much I believe the whole he doesn't wanna play for Calgary anymore thing. He had a loophole where he could have just gone back to school for the 4th year and signed with whoever he pleased. He even went against his mother's wish and promised her he will finish his education in the summer.

The Flames, fans, city has done nothing to change his mind otherwise, where he has soured on anything. His parents were treated like royalty whenever they are in the Dome watching him play. Unless the whole negotiation process has made him change his mind then I don't know.

I just want him to sign dammit!

Johnny was nowhere near the surefire thing he is now back when he was in the NCAA. His situation has changed. Alot. Remember, before Gaudreau, being the best college player didn't mean much.

Any team in the league would take him now.

I'm sure the World cup did nothing but cement that in his mind.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I feel like every argument has had some iteration or another at this point, and are now being recycled verbatim. There's no news, and there's nothing left to discuss. Lock the thread until something noteworthy happens.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by pylon

I disagree. The league is going more in the "What have you done for me lately?" direction. Look how many guys can't get contracts now in their early 30's. I'd be looking for job security too.

I don't necessarily say I'm happy with Johnny's stance. But I cannot blame him. He is a special player. And his tires have been pumped more than any Flame ever, on both sides of the border. Iginla included.

IMO if he was Canadian, and not getting crazy coverage south of the border, the deal is already done. But he knows how much more marketable he is on the East Coast US.

Take the contract out of the equation even. He could be looking at couple million more in endorsements by signing south of the border. In Canada you get sponsored by McCain fruit punch "Elvis Stoyko goes for the gold, and gets GREAT taste!" or in his case Pizza 73. Tim Hortons if you are Sid the Kid hocking crappy cardboard sandwiches.

Down there it's a whole different ball game. Especially from the region he's from.

It would honestly be bad business sense for him to sign here, as bad as it sounds.

I hadn't even considered that. We're doomed.

[djsFlames]

It's time to shuffle up your offer, Brad.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I feel like every argument has had some iteration or another at this point, and are now being recycled verbatim. There's no news, and there's nothing left to discuss. Lock the thread until something noteworthy happens.

Can you just let us panic in peace....

[keratosis]

Not like we would lose Him for nothing is it?