Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Moneyhands23]

I love having Johnny on my team!

He's a great payer and I think his values are in line with what makes the organization so great!

This little bump in the road will be easy to forget as soon as he gets back on the ice!!

Can't wait to see his wizardry om ice! ☺

[Otto-matic]

I wonder how much longer Johnny can take before he snaps and gets a deal done.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Everyone in contract talks says that. These boiler-plate platitudes said by agents and management are meaningless. If Gaudreau didn't want to stay in Calgary long-term (and I'm not saying that's the case) do you think anyone in his camp would be stupid enough to say so?

I think if there was any appetite at all for a short term deal from Gaudreau's camp we would have heard some inkling of that by now. On the contrary, EVERY REPORT on this negotiation confirms that both sides are pursuing a long term deal. An insider who speaks to the agent or people close to the negotiation would have reported something else if this were true. So, no, I do not think it "meaningless" that there are only indications that both sides want a long term deal.

[GioforPM]

A lot of people assume JG wants to go the the US (and in particular Philly) because he'd be at home or even just because he's American.

I have not seen that be a factor in any RFA negotiations, and darned few UFA signings. And usually when a player wants to be in a big US city it's because they don't like the limelight of being a hockey star in a Canadian city (especially TO or Mtl) and need to be in a city with less scrutiny (like a Jaybo). Johnny doesn't strike me as that - he seems to want to be in a place that recognizes what he is.

[Your Calgary Flames!]

This may or may not of been brought up but how many times has a player or star player held out and they are re-signed by the same GM. I would imagine it's a different GM that re-signs down the road.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by polak

He better not be. If Treliving can't get this done he needs to go.

For all we know, the owners could very well have drawn a line in the sand. Would be hard to blame Treliving if Edwards has told him he's only authorized to give Gaudreau less than he's willing to accept.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

For all we know, the owners could very well have drawn a line in the sand. Would be hard to blame Treliving if Edwards has told him he's only authorized to give Gaudreau less than he's willing to accept.

This is a definite possibility due to the contract being potentially precedent setting for s player with no Arb rights, offer sheet ability, and 2 years pro.

Edwards is a hardline owner and not likely to be the one to sign off on a deal that hurts the owners moving forward

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think if there was any appetite at all for a short term deal from Gaudreau's camp we would have heard some inkling of that by now. On the contrary, EVERY REPORT on this negotiation confirms that both sides are pursuing a long term deal. An insider who speaks to the agent or people close to the negotiation would have reported something else if this were true. So, no, I do not think it "meaningless" that there are only indications that both sides want a long term deal.

Negotiations can change in an instant. I think it's safe to say that these reports could be out of date. All it would take is Gaudreau reaching a breaking point or getting mad and telling his agent he wants a one year deal because he will have more leverage next summer. I think as we move along here, the chance of this being a long term deal diminishes

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is a definite possibility due to the contract being potentially precedent setting for s player with no Arb rights, offer sheet ability, and 2 years pro.

Edwards is a hardline owner and not likely to be the one to sign off on a deal that hurts the owners moving forward

The unfortunate part is Treliving would be blamed if this went bad because of an owner mandate, because no one would ever find out.

I would have to assume most owners get their say on deals like this. It's not like Treliving can just sign him to an 8.5mx8 and call it a day. There must be certain parameters that Edwards has outlined as acceptable.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I love having Johnny on my team!

He's a great payer and I think his values are in line with what makes the organization so great!

This little bump in the road will be easy to forget as soon as he gets back on the ice!!

Can't wait to see his wizardry om ice! ☺

Purchase NHL Gamecenter and you can easily watch all his wizardry on ice while he's playing for the Flyers

[Bingo]

This article is now 26 days old but still think it's the likely outcome

Bridge!

3 years 18.9M

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This article is now 26 days old but still think it's the likely outcome http://www.calgarypuck.com/2016/09/a-bridge-over-troubled-water-gaudreaus-contract/

3 years 18.9M

Hope not. If the cap hit is that high and the term is that low, Tre has failed imo.

If it has to be a bridge, just sign him for one year and take a run it again next year. Can still buy 4 RFA years at that point.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Purchase NHL Gamecenter and you can easily watch all his wizardry on ice while he's playing for the Flyers

Ya....no
Video games are for kids that don't like to go outside

[442scotty]

I'm so tired of this... I just want it over one way or the other!

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Ya....no
Video games are for kids that don't like to go outside

NHL Gamecenter is definitely not a video game.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This article is now 26 days old but still think it's the likely outcome

Bridge!

3 years 18.9M

I don't see how Gaudreau can see value in the risk/reward equation in that. He is going to decline a 7 year/$49 million or 8 year/$56 million contract with an opportunity to make a likely $20 million on his next contract. So he leaves a guaranteed $49-$56 million with a likely 15-20 million on the backend to take $19 million now. His best case scenario is he wins the Hart trophy and the NHL continues to thrive, and he gets a 7/52 contract then?

Basically, he's taking $19 now with a chance to make $50-$60 later vs $50-60 now with a chance to make 15-20 later.

It's not like he's a baseball player where there's a chance he could cash in with a $400 million by keeping short term deals. There just isn't much salary difference in today's nhl between a top line player and a superstar.

The risk in putting off the big guarantee is substantial. He's a good bet to succeed but no 23 year old is a sure thing to stay at that level. Injuries are always a risk. The salary cap will have substantial downward pressure from the RSN bubble popping one day.

[CroFlames]

I wonder if Johnny sits out any number of regular season games, does he get booed when he finally returns?

[Cactus Jack]

Imagine the collective sigh of relief in Calgary when he finally signs

[speeds]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I don't see how Gaudreau can see value in the risk/reward equation in that. He is going to decline a 7 year/$49 million or 8 year/$56 million contract with an opportunity to make a likely $20 million on his next contract. So he leaves a guaranteed $49-$56 million with a likely 15-20 million on the backend to take $19 million now. His best case scenario is he wins the Hart trophy and the NHL continues to thrive, and he gets a 7/52 contract then?

How is that his best case? What about getting a Kane like contract in 3 years if the cap keeps rising and his stats improve a bit?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This article is now 26 days old but still think it's the likely outcome

Bridge!

3 years 18.9M

3yrs @ $6.3M AAV?

What would the Flames gain there? Why not just add another $1.0M AAV and get him for the full 8?

I don't see our Cup window opening for atleast another 2-3 years, so to get Johnny on a short bridge deal right now would be catastrophic to this teams Cup intentions in 3-8 years.