Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[polak]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really doubt Treliving is even looking at a trade at this point. At least no more than any other player under regular operation of his duties.

He better not be. If Treliving can't get this done he needs to go.

[Manhattanboy]

I don't think he explores trade until the player asks.

[SportsJunky]

The Gio cap exists. At least according to Elliot Friedman it does. Still, I have to believe the Flames know that they won't get Johnny signed below that number. It is time for the Gaudreau cap.

[Racki]

I keep coming back to $7,325,000. It makes perfect sense. He and Monny for $14,000,000 total.

[BrownDrake]

Sometimes players ask far more than they are really willing to accept because they know a deal won't get done. They do so because they want out and don't want to "ask" for a trade...Hamilton

How many training camp hold outs go well?

I have a feeling this fell off the rails sometime in early August, conversation switched from long term to sign me to a bridge deal and the Flames don't want that.

There is no worse thing for a locker room or employer-employee relationship than a hold out, that is what he is now because he has no leverage.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Sometimes players ask far more than they are really willing to accept because they know a deal won't get done. They do so because they want out and don't want to "ask" for a trade...Hamilton

How many training camp hold outs go well?

I have a feeling this fell off the rails sometime in early August, conversation switched from long term to sign me to a bridge deal and the Flames don't want that.

There is no worse thing for a locker room or employer-employee relationship than a hold out, that is what he is now because he has no leverage.

That is wild speculation and nothing points to that. All signs point toward Johnny wanting to be in Calgary long term.

Jarome held out. Let that sink in.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Sometimes players ask far more than they are really willing to accept because they know a deal won't get done. They do so because they want out and don't want to "ask" for a trade...Hamilton

How many training camp hold outs go well?

I have a feeling this fell off the rails sometime in early August, conversation switched from long term to sign me to a bridge deal and the Flames don't want that.

There is no worse thing for a locker room or employer-employee relationship than a hold out, that is what he is now because he has no leverage.

Drew Doughty is working out pretty well. Iginla worked out pretty well.

The list of bad cases (Johansen) really isn't that long.

I really believe Treliving is trying to get the best contract so the Flames can be competitive as possible. It's as simple as that.

[FBI]

*jeopardy theme song*

[Flash Walken]

Hmm, maybe Treliving is dealing with the Lanny cap.

That would make negotiations much more difficult.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

...I have a feeling this fell off the rails sometime in early August, conversation switched from long term to sign me to a bridge deal and the Flames don't want that.

No. Virtually every report from both sides to date indicates that everyone wants a long-term deal to stay in Calgary.

There is no worse thing for a locker room or employer-employee relationship than a hold out, that is what he is now because he has no leverage.

This is pure, baseless hyperbole. "No worse thing"? Come on. Holdouts are hardly uncommon and they with considerable frequency result in no hard feelings either way. I think these are fair points to worry about if this has spilled into November, but as of today, this still looks every bit to be a difficult negotiation, and nothing more.

[thymebalm]

My understanding is that if Johnny isn't signed by end of preseason the Flames won't be able to take advantage of Smid going to LTIR, because LTIR only gives you relief to go over the cap if you are at it. Can anyone clarify how that works?

[Rtown]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That is wild speculation and nothing points to that. All signs point toward Johnny wanting to be in Calgary long term.

Jarome held out. Let that sink in.

I thought of that this morning as well. there's still a chance of a long term relationship after this.

But then I remembered Gilmour, and then I remembered Nieuwendyk

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

My understanding is that if Johnny isn't signed by end of preseason the Flames won't be able to take advantage of Smid going to LTIR, because LTIR only gives you relief to go over the cap if you are at it. Can anyone clarify how that works?

If they are not at the cap, why would they need relief?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

If they are not at the cap, why would they need relief?

They may want some more flexibility after Johnny is signed and the team is close to the cap.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

The Gio cap exists. At least according to Elliot Friedman it does. Still, I have to believe the Flames know that they won't get Johnny signed below that number. It is time for the Gaudreau cap.

Yeah, if that is a thing, we really are in trouble.

That's why I doubt it's a thing.

[JD]

I guarantee the agent told Johnny to go to that Eagles game, enjoy the hell out of it, and make sure you put something on social media that shows you were there.

And then sit back and watch the Flames fanbase's panic set in. As we are seeing right here in this thread.

It's really the only chip they had left because the fact that he's an RFA means the Flames hold all the cards.

Johnny wants to play. Johnny likes his squeaky clean image. He'll sign.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No. Virtually every report from both sides to date indicates that everyone wants a long-term deal to stay in Calgary.

Everyone in contract talks says that. These boiler-plate platitudes said by agents and management are meaningless. If Gaudreau didn't want to stay in Calgary long-term (and I'm not saying that's the case) do you think anyone in his camp would be stupid enough to say so?

[Kjesse]

The only real cause for concern is in August Johnny commented the negotiations were "painful". That was a very odd choice of words and tends to suggest that it became personal then.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Everyone in contract talks says that. These boiler-plate platitudes said by agents and management are meaningless. If Gaudreau didn't want to stay in Calgary long-term (and I'm not saying that's the case) do you think anyone in his camp would be stupid enough to say so?

Yeah, I mean questionable stuff never gets said by agents. An agent would never release something silly to the public, like asking for a trade because your client wants to blossom as a right side defense only.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Delgar

The only real cause for concern is in August Johnny commented the negotiations were "painful". That was a very odd choice of words and tends to suggest that it became personal then.

Actually he didn't say the negotiations were painful. It was more that it was on his mind every day that he had no contract and was still in negotiations that was painful.


http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Hockey/NH...=rsssportsslam!

Some reporters twisted that into "painful negotiations".