Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[saillias]

Thought that was poutine for a second - looked like a heap of cheese curds. Very disappointing to find out it's just that chunky popcorn no one likes! booooo

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

I suppose the timing of his/her joining the forum could be suspect, but everyone had to join sometime. It's not unreasonable to think Gaudreauvertime has been reading the forum for a while and finally decided to join when he/she felt they had something to contribute.

Gaudreauvertime has a penchant for hyperbole and victimization. However, it's ludicrous for us to suggest he/she is someone working in the agents office simply trying to "stir the pot".

It seems much more likely that Gaudreauvertime is simply a younger person that really like Johnny Gaudreau. His/her posts have a juvenile quality to them that lacks nuance. I don't say this to shame Gaudreauvertime or speak disparagingly; all of us were young once. I've written some horrendous posts on forums myself throughout the years.

Writing a post that you believe to be clearly articulated and well thought out, only to have others react completely contrary to what you thought you said, is all part of learning to be a better writer. Gaudreauvertime will get there eventually, assuming they stick around long enough to do so.

This is one of those moments where I see that my post clearly flew over the head of many. I never accused the poster of being anyone and simply said I didn't care who he/she was. Please read twice before jumping off the bridge of overreaction.

[Robbob]

I do find it a little bit weird that Gaudreauvertime is going the fans vs Gaudreau route when in the poll it looks like the majority agree wih him that Johnny will get paid. Each time I come back into this thread it baffles me the direction that it has gone. Except for the gift parade, that was awesome.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is one of those moments where I see that my post clearly flew over the head of many. I never accused the poster of being anyone and simply said I didn't care who he/she was. Please read twice before jumping off the bridge of overreaction.

Sorry, I was reacting to when you said:

The timing of your joining of the forums is curious if you are indeed a Flames fan.

And I took it to be an accusation of some kind.

I don't love Gaudreauvertime's incessant posting about Gaudreau and his/her view that we all have a grudge against Johnny simply because we don't think he should get $64M/8years. However, we (as a collective) have also been fairly harsh to him/her at times, with some people claiming Gaudreauvertime has ulterior motives.

If that wasn't your intention as well, then I apologize for the confusion.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Wow, some of of you guys are really obsessed with me huh? I make one post and come back to see 2 pages of people complaining about it?

I'm a Flames fan and a Gaudreau fan, this just happens to be a pretty contentious issue at the time. Explains why so many people are in this thread. But as a fan, it's tough to watch fellow fans with a grudge against Gaudreau who look to knock him down a peg at every opportunity. I know they are the vocal minority, but it's surprising that I'm one of the few to take exception with it.

This thread has become highly adverserial and even if you're justified in defending yourself from the personal shots, it's probably best to step away from this thread for a time and focus on contributing to NON-Gaudreau-revolving topics like training camp. You've already gotten responses to this post which could surely fill up yet another page and continue the cycle. Ask yourself though - does perpetuating this cycle improve or degrade the quality of the discussion?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Sorry, I was reacting to when you said:



And I took it to be an accusation of some kind.

I don't love Gaudreauvertime's incessant posting about Gaudreau and his/her view that we all have a grudge against Johnny simply because we don't think he should get $64M/8years. However, we (as a collective) have also been fairly harsh to him/her at times, with some people claiming Gaudreauvertime has ulterior motives.

If that wasn't your intention as well, then I apologize for the confusion.

No need to apologize as I don't take this stuff to heart. I just find it odd that such a huge Gaudreau fan wouldn't have joined earlier to gush about him as we all have over the past few years. Joined only now that Johnny's in a contract stalemate and become somewhat of a divisive voice. Could be a young kid in a Calgary basement for all I know, I just find the timing curious that's all.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What's ridiculous is Gaudreauvertime is trying to create this narrative that the fanbase on this forum are somehow anti-Johnny when in fact everyone on this site that is a flames fan wants Gaudreau signed for 7-8 years.

We all want the Flames to win the cup and hopefully a couple of cups. The last era got so close on a underdog run and never got close again. This will be the 4th full season since the rebuild began. Johnny has emerged as the next face of the franchise but is joined by Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk, Brodie, Hamilton as the key pieces of the future. Management is going to need to keep those pieces together and add others to the mix (currently Gio, Backlund, Frolik, Brouwer, Elliott) in order to win.

Johnny has an interesting contract situation where he still has 5 years before he is a UFA, and can't be given an offer sheet. The flames owners also are known to be hardliners when CBA negotiations occur. It is reasonable to believe that due to those factors we will not be seeing an 8 year $64M contract even though many like me would be completely happy paying Johnny that money.

I like Gaudreauvertime people on this forum are using logic to deduce what a fair contract for Johnny would be. What is funny most people agree with where he ended up voting in the process. $7-7.5M for 8 years

I'm not trying to do that at all. Per my post, there are a select view individuals who are the vocal minority that have consistently made disparaging comments about Gaudreau. I've used the exact words "vocal minority" several times now, yet you still think I'm trying to label the entire fanbase as anti-Johnny?

The overwhelming majority of this forum do not act in this way. But there are a few posters who do, and I've called them out.

Also, the voting results are over a 7 year term, not 8.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I'm not trying to do that at all. Per my post, there are a select view individuals who are the vocal minority that have consistently made disparaging comments about Gaudreau. I've used the exact words "vocal minority" several times now, yet you still think I'm trying to label the entire fanbase as anti-Johnny?

The overwhelming majority of this forum do not act in this way. But there are a few posters who do, and I've called them out.

Also, the voting results are over a 7 year term, not 8.

Bro it's not disparaging to say a player is worth x amount of dollars instead of y amount of dollars.

Factors that contribute to him being worth x dollars: home/away splits, only 2 years experience, playing wing, slight stature, non point per game player, typically not known for being a leadership type.

That is not disparaging. It's just science.

I'd like to see some of the CONSISTENTLY disparaging remarks though if you please.

[Lumby Lager]

I think Balderdash is far and away the superior word for this thread. Poppycock is a distant second. Sorry about the image size as it is the first time I have posted one.

[FBI]

I love balderdash. We always play it over Christmas.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I'm not trying to do that at all. Per my post, there are a select view individuals who are the vocal minority that have consistently made disparaging comments about Gaudreau. I've used the exact words "vocal minority" several times now, yet you still think I'm trying to label the entire fanbase as anti-Johnny?

The overwhelming majority of this forum do not act in this way. But there are a few posters who do, and I've called them out.

Also, the voting results are over a 7 year term, not 8.

Can I give you a piece of advice?

You will never, ever, ever convince everyone on this forum to have the same opinion. That's kind of the point. There's room for dissent here and we don't discourage it, as long as it's well-reasoned and backed up with facts. While I disagree with that vocal minority as well, their viewpoint isn't completely trash and their thoughts deserve to be heard. If the majority of people agree with you, you should consider that a success and move on.

Don't be adversarial with those you disagree with, it's not going to get you anywhere.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Can I give you a piece of advice?

You will never, ever, ever convince everyone on this forum to have the same opinion. That's kind of the point. There's room for dissent here and we don't discourage it, as long as it's well-reasoned and backed up with facts. While I disagree with that vocal minority as well, their viewpoint isn't completely trash and their thoughts deserve to be heard. If the majority of people agree with you, you should consider that a success and move on.

Don't be adversarial with those you disagree with, it's not going to get you anywhere.

I would agree with this, except that I think it is a gross mischaracterisation on Gaudreauvertime's part to insist that there are a handful of posters who have been "disparaging" Gaudreau. He needs to prove it.

[Benched]

disagreeing with his arguments and pointing out reasons for it (road record, etc.) = disparaging.


Otherwise I can't see any disparaging remarks. Like seriously, everyone loves the kid.

[jemjey]

I leave you guys alone for one night and look what happens!!! No wonder Johnny hasn't signed.

[Benched]

this thread....

[MrMastodonFarm]

Gaudreau's such a dwarf he'd probably walk right under that stick!

#DisparageJohnny

[polak]

I wish there were actual rumours about what was going on.

Pretty much guaranteed to go until the opening game of the season at this point, hey?

[jemjey]

[442scotty]

I hate when threads start going down this never ending path

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GGG

Clearly wrong here Balderdash is a far Superior word. They made a game out of the word balderdash whereas poppycock is just funny to a juvenile 12 yearold

And that's why it is funny. Juvenile 12 year old are the gold standard when it comes to what is funny and what is not.