Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^I actually have been looking for 1st/2nd half split stats for other reasons - and haven't been able to find it at all.

You can do it with hockey reference. He was slightly above PPG in the first half if I recall.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by polak

I feel like 8 is closer to what he's worth than 6.75 or below...

Well, I feel differently. It has been pointed out numerous times but Gaudreau's high number of remaining RFA years, offer sheet intelligibility, and lack of arbitration rights puts a significant drag on that number to bring it a lot closer to $7.0 m. It's just the way it is.

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think it's more evidence that people disagree with me and are using hyperbolic tactics.

I'd expect nothing less from you.

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

When I say a player looks like the best player in a tournament, that doesn't imply that he is the best player in the world. I explained that earlier, did you miss that?

No, but what it does mean is that he is better than every player at that tournament. That is literally what the word "best" means. Here's another way of looking at it: if I say, "Gaudreauvertime has the thickest skull on CP" it doesn't mean you have the thickest skull in the world, but it does mean your skull is thicker than everyone else on CP. Does that help?

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If my arguments were so easily dismantled, why are people intentionally mis-characterizing them? You would think that wouldn't be necessary.

No one is doing that. It isn't necessary. Your position on this subject has been thoroughly destroyed by more than a couple posters but like a lot of things that seems to have gone over your head.

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Overwhelming logic and reason? Lol ok. I'd probably feel like less of a victim if there wasn't such a vocal minority that kept personally attacking me and mis-characterizing my statements.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by jemjey

I'd expect nothing less from you.



No, but what it does mean is that he is better than everyone player at that tournament. That is literally what the word "best" means. Here's another way of looking at it: if I say, "Gaudreauvertime has the thickest skull on CP" it doesn't mean you have the thickest skull in the world, but it does mean your skull is thicker than everyone else on CP. Does that help?

Wow you really don't get it, huh? Here's a hint: the difference between the two statements has nothing to do with the word "best".

Originally Posted by jemjey

No one is doing that. It isn't necessary. Your position on this subject has been thoroughly destroyed by more than a couple posters but like a lot of things that seems to have gone over your head.

Multiple people are doing that just in the last few pages, including you. Perhaps you are ignoring it?

[Poe969]

Dude, let it go. As someone who's said some really dumb things that were just wrong I know what you're going through. Just admit that your stance on some things is wrong, it's not the end of the world. You're claiming that Johnny is good and we all think that but I think you need to rein it in a bit. We're all on the same page, we're all Flames fans.

I think we can all agree that Johnny is good, he's going to make a lot of money and we all hope he signs soon.

[djsFlames]

What's going on in here?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^I actually have been looking for 1st/2nd half split stats for other reasons - and haven't been able to find it at all.

This may help.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/split...ohnny-gaudreau

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Dude, let it go. As someone who's said some really dumb things that were just wrong I know what you're going through. Just admit that your stance on some things is wrong, it's not the end of the world. You're claiming that Johnny is good and we all think that but I think you need to rein it in a bit. We're all on the same page, we're all Flames fans.

I think we can all agree that Johnny is good, he's going to make a lot of money and we all hope he signs soon.

No, no you go away with your "logic and rational thinking".

[jemjey]

Obviously there's no point in continuing our interaction besides indulging my own self-hatred... so here goes!

Your grasp of English is the worst. See, when I choose a word like that I'm doing so because it has the explicit meaning of being worse than all the rest/the highest degree of badness. There can be none who have a worse grasp of English than you. Do you see how this relates to your statement? Here's a hint: it has everything to do with your choice and placement of words (including "best".)

Multiple people are intentionally mis-characterizing your posts? That has been refuted. The interpretation of your posts has nothing to do with intentional misrepresentation and everything to do with you making indefensible statements and then revising them after the fact.

You are the one ignoring everything that doesn't fit into your views. I'd love to ignore you but I'm a masochist.

[Itse]

(Takes a quick look at what's going on in this thread...
...quietly but quickly backs out.)

[May 25, 1989]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This may help.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/split...ohnny-gaudreau

By Result GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG % PPG
In wins 33 24 23 47 33 8 87 27.6 3
In losses 46 6 25 31 -29 12 130 4.6 3

Biggest concern for Flames I found in that link. As Johnny goes so did the flames last year.

[dabrit]

Hello?? Where are the mods on this forum where personal attack after personal attack is just being let go.

Let's get this thread back on track sweet jebus

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by May 25, 1989

By Result GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG % PPG
In wins 33 24 23 47 33 8 87 27.6 3
In losses 46 6 25 31 -29 12 130 4.6 3

Biggest concern for Flames I found in that link. As Johnny goes so did the flames last year.

That's why the Flames need a second scoring line to move up the standings.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dabrit

Hello?? Where are the mods on this forum where personal attack after personal attack is just being let go.

Let's get this thread back on track sweet jebus

I always find it interesting to see someone call out the mods for not doing something they find unacceptable, yet hasn't reported a single post for us to look at.

We don't read every post on the site. If there's something you think we should look at please report the post. Thanks.

[Geeoff]

This lack of a Gaudreau signing really has people on edge!

[Plett25]

I hadn't clicked on this thread before now, and wow, almost 2400 posts! But if the last couple of pages are representative, it looks like I didn't miss much.

When I first looked at the poll, I thought it was stupid because there were so many choices and the difference between each choice was almost insignificant. Was it Harry or Lloyd that said, just when I thought you couldn't do anything any dumber, you do something like this and totally redeem yourself!

Just look at those results, it's almost a perfect bell curve! This has got to be the best poll I have ever seen on this site. I can't wait until Johnny's signs and we can judge the accuracy of CalgaryPuck's collective wisdom.

And now, I'll just wait for sureloss's thread when Johnny signs.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Does anyone have or can cite the data, for Johnny's production for the 1st and 2nd halves of the season? Before & After play-off elimination?

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^I actually have been looking for 1st/2nd half split stats for other reasons - and haven't been able to find it at all.

This is hard to find an exact date for Cam_wmh, because realistically, even the really bad teams are in it until the last 2-3 weeks of the season, but are likely eliminated from contention quite a while before an official elimination day for a variety of reasons. From what I recall of last season, the Flames still had a low percentage chance at the playoffs with Ramo in net. The moment he went down with a season ending injury, we were relying on garbage-version-Hiller and the inconsistent Ortio. I'm pretty sure the entire team packed it in at that point and we saw what was essentially "garbage time" that allowed Colborne to get a nice contract elsewhere this year.

So let's take the night of Ramo's injury, Feb. 11, as the unofficial playoff elimination date for the Flames and look at the splits:

Johnny Gaudreau:
Pre Feb 11: GP-52, G-21, A-30, P-51. Basically 1 PPG
Post Feb 11: GP-27, G-9, A-18, P-27. Basically 1 PPG
* It should be noted that 1 game after the Ramo injury, Gaudreau went on a 9 game point scoring streak, scoring 12 points. He was also -2 over that stretch. I'm not sure if he was trying to single-handedly will the Flames into the post season, or if he was playing all offense since we had no goaltending to speak of, but at least he gave it his all.


Here are the splits that really concern me for Gaudreau.

Home: GP-40, G-23, A-33, P-56, +21
Road: GP-39, G-7, A-15, P-22, -17

Also

In Wins: GP-33, G-24, A-23, P-47, +33
In losses: GP-39, G-6, A-20, P-26, -27

When he's on, he takes over the game and is dominant. When he's off...which happens to coincide a LOT with being on the road, then he's less effective and really struggles to score goals. BUT, for what it's worth, the entire team has similar splits to Gaudreau in these areas, so I wouldn't read too much into it.


How about looking at some other people who picked up a lot of points in meaningless games. Joe Colborne and Mikael Backlund are good examples.

Colborne:
Pre Feb 11: GP-44, G-7, A-12, P-19. Less than 0.5 PPG (0.43).
Post Feb 11: GP-29, G-12, A-13, P-25. Now a 0.86 PPG player...DOUBLE his previous levels.
* It should be noted that Colborne had just 5 points over his next 9 games after Ramo's injury. Somewhat OPPOSITE of what Gaudreau did when the team was still mathematically in it. Joe capitalized in March and April, when the team was sunk and they were definitely in "garbage time".

Backlund:
Pre Feb 11: GP-53, G-8, A-18, P-26. Basically 0.5 PPG.
Post Feb 11: GP-29, G-13, A-8, P-21. Now a 0.72 PPG player.

No slight on Backlund because his best attributes aren't offense, but he also didn't put up his points when the team needed them most.

So what does all this mean? I don't know, you figure it out, but I thought it was worth investigating.

[wired]

Hey fellas, simmer the eff down. No need to get the hackles up.
Sometimes its just easier to read the post, swear to yourself, and close the post.
Have a beer, its Friday.

[nemanja2306]

Imagine if Johnny was reading this thread.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

So what does all this mean? I don't know, you figure it out.

I laughed hard when I read that part.