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CalgaryFan1988 · 09-23-2016, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ClubFlames

I wouldn't count on him being here that long.

If he would take the bet, I'd stick to it (even if he got the boot).

GGG · 09-23-2016, 09:01 AM

For all Gaudreauvertimes bluster about 8 million he has him at 7.25 million in the above poll which puts him in the ball park of where everyone else is. He's at the high end of it but is still saying 6 mil per RFA year plus 10 per UFA year.

Enoch Root · 09-23-2016, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

For all Gaudreauvertimes bluster about 8 million he has him at 7.25 million in the above poll which puts him in the ball park of where everyone else is. He's at the high end of it but is still saying 6 mil per RFA year plus 10 per UFA year.

Unfortunately that poll is for expectations on a 7 year deal, which doesn't really help the discussions.

He's been talking about $7.5M to $8M, or possibly $8.5M for an 8 year deal. And then arguing that Gaudreau's market value is even more than that.

Erick Estrada · 09-23-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pylon

Strictly my opinion here, but I believe there is more at play than what's on the surface. I believe if Johnny doesn't ultimate plan to be a long term Flame, and doesn't want to sign long term, (bold prediction time) they may move him in the coming month for something huge. His value is off the charts, and I'm pretty sure you could net a huge fish with him.

I have nothing to base this on but a gut feeling, but something is telling me, Calgary is not in his long term plan.

Simply an opinion, nothing more. But I'm pretty sure there more than just dollars and term involved here.

People would have called you crazy if you predicted something like Subban/Weber a year ago. I feel we might see a similar type of move.

I share your sentiment. It's been my own personal belief that the goal of the Gaudreaus is to get him to UFA as soon as possible so he can play close to home. As with you it's simply my opinion as this is something that always has to be considered with American born players.

My concern is that I simply don't see a trade where the Flames end up with a player as good or better in return.

Textcritic · 09-23-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I share your sentiment. It's been my own personal belief that the goal of the Gaudreaus is to get him to UFA as soon as possible so he can play close to home. As with you it's simply my opinion as this is something that always has to be considered with American born players.

My concern is that I simply don't see a trade where the Flames end up with a player as good or better in return.

Everyone is entitled to her/his opinion, but I would remind you that this is one that is not only based in nothing tangible, it also goes against everything reported to date, which indicates that Gaudreau is seeking a long-term deal to remain in Calgary.

CliffFletcher · 09-23-2016, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Everyone is entitled to her/his opinion, but I would remind you that this is one that is not only based in nothing tangible, it also goes against everything reported to date, which indicates that Gaudreau is seeking a long-term deal to remain in Calgary.

Would you expect his camp to say otherwise? If the plan is to leave as soon as he hits UFA, why do anything to rock the boat now?

MrMastodonFarm · 09-23-2016, 10:21 AM

Haven't we heard from both sides this will be a long term deal? It's money that's separating them, not term. If you believe that you have no reason to think Gaudreau is a flight risk.

Vinny01 · 09-23-2016, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Everyone is entitled to her/his opinion, but I would remind you that this is one that is not only based in nothing tangible, it also goes against everything reported to date, which indicates that Gaudreau is seeking a long-term deal to remain in Calgary.

To Gaudreau a long term deal could mean 5-6 years where to most of us it is 7-8 years. Johnny has to know if he wants big $ now he needs to sell some of those UFA years. In my opinion if I am Treliving I don't even consider 7M unless Johnny is ready to go max term. If he sticks on 7 years then the Gio $6.75M is where the Flames likely stick. If he goes 6 years then I wouldn't want them to go north of $6M and a 5 year deal isn't even on the table if I am the Flames

Gaudreauvertime · 09-23-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Ok, I'm calling out Gaudreauvertime.

You think Johnny is trending up and going to be the best player in the league this season?

No. I don't think that. Might want to work on that reading comprehension. It could happen, and it wouldn't shock me, but I wouldn't expect it.

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I say put your money where your mouth is.

If Gaudreau gets 90 or more points this season, I will donate $100 to CP. if he gets anything less than 90 points, you donate $100 to CP. Fair?

(FWIW I hope he gets 100 points)

It's foolish to bet 1:1 on an outcome that has so much variability, including the risk associated with the current contract. I also wouldn't make a bet that has me either losing money if I lose and not making money if I win.

Counter offer: Assuming Johnny plays at least 65 games, I'll bet $100 he scores at a 1.1 PPG pace on 5:1 odds. If I lose, you can have $100 bucks and do what you please with it (donate) and if I win you pay me $250 and donate the other $250 to CP.

Should be easy money for you.

Textcritic · 09-23-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Would you expect his camp to say otherwise? If the plan is to leave as soon as he hits UFA, why do anything to rock the boat now?

No, I would not. But I would expect that if he were intent on leaving we would be hearing from insiders that he is seeking a shorter term. So far everyone agrees that both sides are pursuing a long-term deal.

Gaudreauvertime · 09-23-2016, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Unfortunately that poll is for expectations on a 7 year deal, which doesn't really help the discussions.

He's been talking about $7.5M to $8M, or possibly $8.5M for an 8 year deal. And then arguing that Gaudreau's market value is even more than that.

Have I been arguing that I expect him to get 8.5M on an 8 year deal?

That's news to me.

FanIn80 · 09-23-2016, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

It's foolish to bet 1:1 on an outcome that has so much variability, including the risk associated with the current contract. I also wouldn't make a bet that has me either losing money if I lose and not making money if I win.

Counter offer: Assuming Johnny plays at least 65 games, I'll bet $100 he scores at a 1.1 PPG pace on 5:1 odds. If I lose, you can have $100 bucks and do what you please with it (donate) and if I win you pay me $250 and donate the other $250 to CP.

Should be easy money for you.

^^(Insert gif of someone picking up a bunch of tables and turning them.)

Textcritic · 09-23-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

To Gaudreau a long term deal could mean 5-6 years where to most of us it is 7-8 years. Johnny has to know if he wants big $ now he needs to sell some of those UFA years...

But these are not citations directly from Gaudreau's camp, these are reports from insiders who are providing information to an ongoing public conversation about his contract. In this context I think that "long-term deal" is universally understood as 7–8 years.

jemjey · 09-23-2016, 10:27 AM

I get that he looks like a baby... but what 20 something year old soon to be millionaire wants to go live with his parents? It's not like he doesn't see them throughout the season and in the off-season.

A couple years ago there was no guarantee Johnny would even make the NHL, I highly doubt he would risk millions of guaranteed dollars just to be closer to mommy. He has a girlfriend in Calgary, teammates and friends in Calgary, a real chance to win in Calgary...

When was the last time a player bolted to play for their hometown?

burnitdown · 09-23-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

No. I don't think that. Might want to work on that reading comprehension. It could happen, and it wouldn't shock me, but I wouldn't expect it.

It's foolish to bet 1:1 on an outcome that has so much variability, including the risk associated with the current contract. I also wouldn't make a bet that has me either losing money if I lose and not making money if I win.

Counter offer: Assuming Johnny plays at least 65 games, I'll bet $100 he scores at a 1.1 PPG pace on 5:1 odds. If I lose, you can have $100 bucks and do what you please with it (donate) and if I win you pay me $250 and donate the other $250 to CP.

Should be easy money for you.

So to be clear, on a $100 bet, there's way too much variability and risk for you to be confident that he'll reach 90 points next year. However, you'd have zero problems with management paying him $8M to $8.5M a year because in your eyes, that's fair market value and you have no concerns of him not being a top point producer for years to come?? So there's only risk in him not scoring if you're having to put money on him...but if it's the team's money, they should ignore that risk??

jemjey · 09-23-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

No. I don't think that. Might want to work on that reading comprehension. It could happen, and it wouldn't shock me, but I wouldn't expect it.

Maybe you should work on your writing? I find it hilarious that you make outlandish statements, get called out on them, and then backtrack and blame the reading comprehension of whoever called you out.

Here's a thought, maybe articulate your ideas clearly? or just stop spouting utter nonsense.

Textcritic · 09-23-2016, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jemjey

...When was the last time a player bolted to play for their hometown?

Does Hamhuis count? Ryan Suter and Zach Parise? It is a pretty rare occurrence and seems to me like it is fairly random with regards to Canadian and American players.

Vinny01 · 09-23-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

But these are not citations directly from Gaudreau's camp, these are reports from insiders who are providing information to an ongoing public conversation about his contract. In this context I think that "long-term deal" is universally understood as 7–8 years.

I do t think we can discount 6 years from the equation as it does buy a year of free agency. When Dougie signed his deal with the Flames it was called long term.

I hope you are right but to a 23 year old 5-6 years is a pretty long time. Thanks to the 5 RFA years I do hope you are correct and when all parties talk long term that 7-8 years is what is being discussed

TheScorpion · 09-23-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Have I been arguing that I expect him to get 8.5M on an 8 year deal?

That's news to me.

Well, you have said it:

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

8.5 for UFA years that would occur 6 years from now seems extremely low considering what we just saw from Stamkos, Benn, Kane, Toews contracts.

Textcritic · 09-23-2016, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I do t think we can discount 6 years from the equation as it does buy a year of free agency. When Dougie signed his deal with the Flames it was called long term.

I hope you are right but to a 23 year old 5-6 years is a pretty long time. Thanks to the 5 RFA years I do hope you are correct and when all parties talk long term that 7-8 years is what is being discussed

I sure could live with six years. Honestly, the huge number of RFA years really puts the Flames in a good position in this negotiation.