Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Iniggywetrust]

This thread is basically 109 pages of "he's worth this!" " no he's worth this!" One page of actually news and one page of people hating this thread.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Because in any given game or sequence of games, a player can play extremely well?

During Kane's point streak, he looked like the best player in the world. But he wasn't.

So he just looks like the best player in the world right now, but you wouldn't be surprised if he proved it next season...

...so you honestly wouldn't be surprised if Gaudreau was legitimately better (not just 'looked' better) than Crosby next season?

That's insane.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

All we need to do is harness the same power that is causing people to read this thread against their will and use it to make Johnny sign a good deal. I'm not sure what kind of power of persuasion is at work here, but it is clearly quite powerful because a lot of people are complaining about having to read this thread despite the superficial appearance of free will.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Fair market price implies there is a market to begin with, and therefore there are options available to the seller. In this case, there is no active market today, but there is a hypothetical market that exists as Gaudreau becomes a group 2 RFA. Which is essentially why Calgary will be able to sign him for less than market value if both parties are acting rationally and Johnny's value to Calgary is representative of his value to the average NHL team. But if the market's perception of Johnny's value is a material amount greater than Calgary's, then it would likely reduce the discount Calgary could get.

Okay, I see what you're saying, but I think you're still mistaken. A market of one team is still a market. It all has to do with supply and demand.

Furthermore, if Calgary signs Gaudreau for $7.25M AAV, that's not a discount. It really doesn't matter if he could get more money under different circumstances because those aren't the circumstances.

Fair market price is based on the current supply and demand, not the ideal supply and demand. To suggest otherwise is a fairy tale.

If you're believe Gaudreau is concerned with the hypothetical market that could exist once he becomes a type 2 RFA, then he should be trying to sign a short term bridge deal. I don't believe we've seen anything to suggest that, however I've been out of the hockey world for most of late August and September, so I could be mistaken.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So he just looks like the best player in the world right now, but you wouldn't be surprised if he proved it next season...

...so you honestly wouldn't be surprised if Gaudreau was legitimately better (not just 'looked' better) than Crosby next season?

That's insane.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than Crosby this season.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Okay, I see what you're saying, but I think you're still mistaken. A market of one team is still a market. It all has to do with supply and demand.

Furthermore, if Calgary signs Gaudreau for $7.25M AAV, that's not a discount. It really doesn't matter if he could get more money under different circumstances because those aren't the circumstances.

Fair market price is based on the current supply and demand, not the ideal supply and demand. To suggest otherwise is a fairy tale.

If you're believe Gaudreau is concerned with the hypothetical market that could exist once he becomes a type 2 RFA, then he should be trying to sign a short term bridge deal. I don't believe we've seen anything to suggest that, however I've been out of the hockey world for most of late August and September, so I could be mistaken.

I don't really disagree with anything you're saying here, other than to say Calgary's discount would be a discount relative to what other teams would be willing to pay in a market, and they would be willing to pay up to (and potentially slightly more than) the aggregate fair market value.

If you look at the market over a temporal horizon I think it will make more sense.

Also - there have been suggestions of bridge deals. In the end, it might be the best deal for everyone.

Sorry for the crap explanation, I've been doing this on my phone.

[heep223]

I wouldn't be upset with a bridge deal to his final RFA year if it was under $4M.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by heep223

I wouldn't be upset with a bridge deal to his final RFA year if it was under $4M.

Does he then get offer sheeted from another team at the end of that?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Does he then get offer sheeted from another team at the end of that?

Hmm. I guess that's part of the risk isn't it.

By then though he'll have won us three cups so we won't care!

[budblazer]

just give him his 8mil a season hes worth it

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I don't really disagree with anything you're saying here, other than to say Calgary's discount would be a discount relative to what other teams would be willing to pay in a market, and they would be willing to pay up to (and potentially slightly more than) the aggregate fair market value.

If you look at the market over a temporal horizon I think it will make more sense.

Also - there have been suggestions of bridge deals. In the end, it might be the best deal for everyone.

Sorry for the crap explanation, I've been doing this on my phone.

But that's the thing, other teams are not in the market.

Suggesting other teams would be willing to pay more (and therefore his value is higher) is as germane to the conversation as suggesting his value would be higher if he was a 1.5ppg player. Both are theoretically true, but completely irrelevant.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than Crosby this season.

And you gave me the stink eyes when I said McKinnon could hit 80 points at some point

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by budblazer

just give him his 8mil a season hes worth it

Steven Stamkos at age 27 is worth it.

Not a player with 2 years experience and 5 years of RFA ahead of him.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

But that's the thing, other teams are not in the market.

Suggesting other teams would be willing to pay more (and therefore his value is higher) is as germane to the conversation as suggesting his value would be higher if he was a 1.5ppg player. Both are theoretically true, but completely irrelevant.

I have to respectively disagree. The fact that other teams would be willing to pay more raises the price Gaudreau would be willing to accept on a long term deal, and make it more likely for him to a bridge deal.

In any case, I appreciate you being civilized. It's refreshing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than Crosby this season.

I hope you keep that kind of talk to this board and not other hockey forms as it's poor representation of the fan base.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than Crosby this season.

In order to be legitimately better than Crosby this season Gaudreau would need to

1) Score at an Art-Ross Level (Okay, maybe)
2) Play an important position like Center or Defense at a Selke Level (no)
3) Dominate puck possession with his league-best grind game (no)
4) Vocally lead his teammates during playoff game deciding sequences (no)

At least select an attainable goal, like Patrick Kane or Connor McDavid.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

In order to be legitimately better than Crosby this season Gaudreau would need to

1) Score at an Art-Ross Level (Okay, maybe)
2) Play an important position like Center or Defense at a Selke Level (no)
3) Dominate puck possession with his league-best grind game (no)
4) Vocally lead his teammates during playoff game deciding sequences (no)

At least select an attainable goal, like Patrick Kane or Connor McDavid.

Good post until you mentioned McDavid.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Good post until you mentioned McDavid.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than McDavid this season.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than Crosby this season.

Bing?
John?
Denise?

Can't wait for your claims that we misinterpreted you.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was legitimately better than McDavid this season.

Me neither which is why I was surprised you mentioned his name. He's already better than him and McDavid has to prove he's better not the other way around.