Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[saillias]

Originally Posted by nik-

Roger is saying it's not close, and he's a proven rampant speculator.

Fair enough I hope you're right about that. He still thinks they want Gaudreau at the "Gio cap."

[nik-]

Hasn't Treliving already refuted that there's a Gio cap?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Precise? Yea let's go around saying he's a ".99 PPG Player". Thats not tedious or unnecessary at all.

Disputing the label "PPG player" for a guy with 78 points in 79 games is the very definition of pedantic

He's a .89 PPG player, actually.

Edit: you don't base a persons contract on 1 season. You base it off of their career and where you think it's trending. With the respect Gaudreau is getting around the league, it's hard to say how he'll respond next season IMO. For all we know he'll never be an 80 point player.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

The question is what I think he would sign for in a hypothetical 7 year deal, not what he is worth. There is a huuuuge difference.

The question is what he's worth to Treliving, compared to what he's worth to one of his fanboys. I'm glad there is a difference.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

The question is what I think he would sign for in a hypothetical 7 year deal, not what he is worth. There is a huuuuge difference.

Now I'm just amazed at how long you've spent trying to justify what you admit as being your subjective, not-based-on-reality opinion.

"In reality I think he gets this, but forget reality, let's spend two weeks arguing subjective worth!"

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

He's a .89 PPG player, factually.

So by your definition, only Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, and Kane are PPG players?

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The question is what he's worth to Treliving, compared to what he's worth to one of his fanboys. I'm glad there is a difference.

So you think he's worth 6.5M to Treliving? Good to know . . .

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Now I'm just amazed at how long you've spent trying to justify what you admit as being your subjective, not-based-on-reality opinion.

"In reality I think he gets this, but forget reality, let's spend two weeks arguing subjective worth!"

You are confusing market value with what contract he will sign, in a situation where he the team can essentially hold him hostage. There are countless posts where people have said they don't think he is worth 8M or even 7.5M.

There has been a ton of discussion here and elsewhere about his fair market value, which is certainly relevant for the negotiations, specifically when you talk about term.

[nik-]

Every time you harp on it I want the contract to be $50000 less.

He owes the Flames money now in my mind.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

So by your definition, only Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, and Kane are PPG players?



So you think he's worth 6.5M to Treliving? Good to know . . .

Doesn't matter who I consider PPG players. Gaudreau isn't one.

I think Treliving wants to settle below 7 million. I'm fairly certain he doesn't think like you do, or it would be done by now.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Doesn't matter who I consider PPG players. Gaudreau isn't one.

I think Treliving wants to settle below 7 million. I'm fairly certain he doesn't think like you do, or it would be done by now.

Well, he's closer to a PPG player than say, Jamie Benn, so I guess he's not too bad.

Best player at the World Cup at the age of 23 might end up holding out because Treliving thinks the way he does. Not sure that's a good thing, especially if we want to make the playoffs.

[Robbob]

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well, he's closer to a PPG player than say, Jamie Benn, so I guess he's not too bad.

Best player at the World Cup at the age of 23 might end up holding out because Treliving thinks the way he does. Not sure that's a good thing, especially if we want to make the playoffs.

What? Jamie Benn, who has hit a PPG the past two seasons is further away from that mark than Gaudreau, who hasn't?

We're not talking about career PPG here guy, we're talking about guys who've done it through a full season.

You're embarrassing yourself love

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I'm excited for when the contract gets signed and people on both sides of this debate explain how they were right, regardless of what the term and dollars are ��

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

So by your definition, only Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, and Kane are PPG players?

Wouldn't the definition of a PPG player be a player who scores as many or more points as the number of games he played? Current active players who are PPG? That's your list. You could, I suppose find exceptions where a guy played hurt in a year, or we ignore a bad year or two over a long period and say "but for that year, he's a PPG guy". But where a guy has only two years, is at .89 PPG, no, he's not a "PPG player". He's obviously really good.

Last year there were 8, ignoring one game wonders. Gaudreau wasn't one of them. But the bigger point is that you want to take one year and make it out to be what he will do for the next 8. I hope it's true. But I think there's risk and for that reason , plus the CBA RFA provisions, plus the cap, he should make less that that highest possibility.

[Yappin Tappin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What? Jamie Benn, who has hit a PPG the past two seasons is further away from that mark than Gaudreau, who hasn't?

We're not talking about career PPG here guy, we're talking about guys who've done it through a full season.

You're embarrassing yourself love

I believe Gaudreauvertime was just responding to CalgaryFan1988 who said

He's a .89 PPG player, actually.

who was talking about career PPG.

As a quiet observer in this thread the past little while I must say some of you guys have been overly harsh on Gaudreauvertime. I can understand how some believe he is completely off base on what Gaudreau deserves to be paid but the way he has been mocked for his beliefs seems on the harsh side to me.

Anyways just my two cents, I know some will disagree with my thoughts too.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The obsession he's shown is incredibly off-putting.

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well, he's closer to a PPG player than say, Jamie Benn, so I guess he's not too bad.

Best player at the World Cup at the age of 23 might end up holding out because Treliving thinks the way he does. Not sure that's a good thing, especially if we want to make the playoffs.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well, he's closer to a PPG player than say, Jamie Benn, so I guess he's not too bad.

Best player at the World Cup at the age of 23 might end up holding out because Treliving thinks the way he does. Not sure that's a good thing, especially if we want to make the playoffs.

What if we all put him on ignore?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well, he's closer to a PPG player than say, Jamie Benn, so I guess he's not too bad.

Stats, 20 years, 243 days old and older:

.....Jamie Benn - 458GP 185G 252A 436PTS 0.952 PPG
John Gaudreau - 171GP 059G 093A 152PTS 0.889 PPG

[PepsiFree]

I for one am just interested to hear how many more times Gaudreau will be suggested as being better than Crosby.

Who's with me?