Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He isn't our franchise players, he's one of many important pieces.

Thankfully the people in charge of this negotiations aren't worrying about such childish things. It's a business, they're doing business things. Maybe someone gets upset, but that'll happen, I truly doubt it gets to the point of someone being upset beyond repair.

I hope you're right, but it has happened before, has it not?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by saillias

Same

I don't get this mentality of holding your ground. Of all the hills to die on. hold out situations are basically a guarantee for relationship souring and player being traded in a couple years down the road.

Like when Iginla held out in '99 and only played 13 more seasons in Calgary

[Stormchaser]

I don't blame BT for sticking to his guns here. In todays Cap system the numbers don't lie. They have a plan in place and a lot of other guys that are coming up that are going to get paid as well. If a GM starts giving 700k or whatever over what the player is worth its going to add up eventually and assets will have to be parted with. So stick to the plan BT!

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Stormchaser

I don't blame BT for sticking to his guns here. In todays Cap system the numbers don't lie. They have a plan in place and a lot of other guys that are coming up that are going to get paid as well. If a GM starts giving 700k or whatever over what the player is worth its going to add up eventually and assets will have to be parted with. So stick to the plan BT!

so you make the stand with the Lance Bouma contract or the Brouwer contract or the Gio contract itself? I am just mystified austerity doesn't come in to play until the best player needs his deal

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He isn't our franchise players, he's one of many important pieces.

Thankfully the people in charge of this negotiations aren't worrying about such childish things. It's a business, they're doing business things. Maybe someone gets upset, but that'll happen, I truly doubt it gets to the point of someone being upset beyond repair.

I think you'll find most of the fans and the rest of the league disagrees with that.

PPG players that drive the entire offense and get entire arena's ooo'ing and aaahhh'ng in a low scoring era like this are not just "Pieces".

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Like when Iginla held out in '99 and only played 13 more seasons in Calgary

You mean Jarome Iginla whose entire family and life was 4 hours down Hwy 2 and not across the continent in a different country?

[nik-]

And don't forget the insane money we're going to have to dole out for Brodie's next contract. Yes it's years away, but the Flames can either decide that that renewal is when the window slams shut or they are strict on cap until then to make it work.

[polak]

Originally Posted by nik-

And don't forget the insane money we're going to have to dole out for Brodie's next contract. Yes it's years away, but the Flames can either decide that that renewal is when the window slams shut or they are strict on cap until then to make it work.

Again, you refuse to pay for potential but you're willing to lose or piss off our best player (by miles) for POTENTIAL cap problems years away. The extra million you pay Johnny isn't going to change anything if everything pans out for the Flames.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

You mean Jarome Iginla whose entire family and life was 4 hours down Hwy 2 and not across the continent in a different country?

Four hours? Step on it, grandma

[nik-]

I guess I just don't see paying a guy around 7 mil a year for 7 years as pissing someone off.

[polak]

Originally Posted by nik-

I guess I just don't see paying a guy around 7 mil a year for 7 years as pissing someone off.

If it's 7 then no but they're saying it's not close which leads me to believe they're offering less than 7 which is an insult.

[nik-]

Roger is saying it's not close, and he's a proven rampant speculator.

Lets say it's 6.75. Sorry that's not an "insult", that's a team paying a star player more than it's other young star player and trying to ensure that they can manage the cap going forward.

If Gaudreau considers that an insult, then he's me first anyway.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stemit14

IMO... If Johnny's run at the World Cup continues and he impresses against team canada... It should have an influence on the negotiations. Simply the view that everyone will have of a gaudreau signing could be affected. Just look at this thread... Before the tournament there were a lot more people on here saying $6.75 million per year was reasonable.

I think public perception of a $7.5 million+ deal would be much better now... Which puts less pressure on treliving I think. Anyone within the organization or outside the organization would agree that Johnny is worth it I think. Especially after dominating in a best on best tournament...

I think this is wrong. Looking at this management group I see no reason to think that they care one bit about public perception, nor should they so long as it does not interfere with ticket sales. The reason Flames management will not be swayed one way or the other by Gaudreau's WCH performance is because they are ultimately the only team with whom he can sign a contract, and they effectively control his NHL destination for another five years. I just fail to see how a really good performance would affect Treliving's need to work within an established budget that has not changed in the course of the past two weeks.

I remain highly confident that a long term deal that both sides are pleased with will be in place in time for opening night.

[polak]

I'd say 6.75 is an insult.

That number deserves to start with 7.

[sureLoss]

Treliving quote via Odland

[nik-]

Originally Posted by polak

I'd say 6.75 is an insult.

That number deserves to start with 7.

It very well might. But saying it's an insult is ridiculous. Someone would only take it as an insult if they were totally unaware of what the Flames are trying to build.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by nik-

If there's a hill to die on, it might be overpaying a star winger. Lets learn from past lessons about how to build a team.

Did that team have a 1st line center? A top three as good as Brodie-Giordano-Hamilton? Prospects as good as Bennett, Tkachuk or Jankowski?

The two eras aren't comparable. Iginla took up a much higher % of the cap, with a worse supporting cast and no farm system. The Flames weren't mediocre from 2007-2013 because Iginla was the highest paid player. They had years of ####ty management to blame for that.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Did that team have a 1st line center? A top three as good as Brodie-Giordano-Hamilton? Prospects as good as Bennett, Tkachuk or Jankowski?

The two eras aren't comparable. Iginla took up a much higher % of the cap, with a worse supporting cast and no farm system. The Flames weren't mediocre from 2007-2013 because Iginla was the highest paid player. They had years of ####ty management to blame for that.

That's pretty much the point. That era didn't have to pay all those other pieces either.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by polak

If it's 7 then no but they're saying it's not close which leads me to believe they're offering less than 7 which is an insult.

By the same logic, are you pissing off two other franchise players in Monahan and Brodie by valuing JG more? Are they going to be mad at JG for demanding more?

I highly doubt there are going to be any hurt feelings when this is all done.

[DiracSpike]

Holdouts happen all the time, it doesn't mean everyone hates everyone. Sometimes people hold out in the middle of their contracts because they feel they've out-performed it. It's a negotiating tactic plain and simple, if people here want to take it personally that's on them but I almost guarantee JG won't.

The reason BT is taking the hardline on Gaudreau and not someone like Bouma, is 10% off Johnny's contract means a lot more cap wise than 10% off Bouma's. That's why negotiation wrangling is the most intense on high value contracts, you see it league wide. There's no reason to go balls to the wall for someone like Bouma.

It's just business, people need to r-e-l-a-x

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He did vote, just not for $8M. Fun fact - I voted for a slightly higher amount than he did.

Congratulations?

The way he was speaking "give him whatever he wants, to not piss him off", pretty easy to assume he voted the max.