Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I expect something the same.
People aren't disagreeing on that point. They are disagreeing with the rationales you are using to arrive at that.

Um, yes they are. Go check the poll results and look at where people I've been debating have been voting. Enoch Root, Cro Flames, Ryan Coke, Transplant 99, CalgaryFan1988, jemjey, Vinny01 and others voted that Johnny will sign for <7M. Cro Flames is at 6.5-6.625, Enoch and Ryan Coke from 6.75-6.875.

Those are the people I've spent almost all my time debating, and they fall in the minority (bottom ~14%)

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is funny you are arguing with everyone when your expectations for a contract fall within the majority of everyone else in the thread. I agree with what you have posted above and would be happy with either deal but the flames need to be buying 2-3 UFA years if Johnny is going to be the highest paid player on the team

See above.

[nik-]

I just voted 6.5

[Otto-matic]

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 12m12 minutes ago Calgary, Alberta
Asked about Gaudreau. Nothing new says BT. I wonder if #Flames are discussing live without Gaudreau in the interim. Remains not close

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Anyone think that when he burned a year of his contract there was some sort of motivation from the Flames saying "oh you will get paid sooner" or something along those lines, and then now that he doesn't have any rights they play hard ball and cause hurt feelings so to speak?

Was Treliving and co in place when he first came? I'm just speculating as my co-worker brought that up this morning.

The burned year was at the agent's request, which is pretty common in college hockey.

I think that hurt Arnold a lot as he's out the door now without a third year to prove himself.

It gets Gaudreau to a new contract sooner, but also saddled him an extra RFA year to weigh down a long term deal.

Certainly wasn't a Flames ploy at all.

[heep223]

I love that CP's three most vocal Oilers fans all voted $8M+. They clearly think Gaudreau is already a superstar. Guess they've been burned by him enough already.

[nik-]

More likely they want the biggest cap hit possible.

[Toonage]

Big ol' sigh goes out to Roger Millions. He must be a joy to hang out with.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think that hurt Arnold a lot as he's out the door now without a third year to prove himself.

Bill Arnold played a full four years of College hockey, his ELC was max two years. He burned a year of that, was a RFA last summer and signed his qualifying offer. He still eventually got the full two years, but had an NHL paycheck for a couple days as a bonus.

Wouldn't have gotten three years regardless.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Big ol' sigh goes out to Roger Millions. He must be a joy to hang out with.

At least we didn't get the "hmmmm" before his speculation this time.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 12m12 minutes ago Calgary, Alberta
Asked about Gaudreau. Nothing new says BT. I wonder if #Flames are discussing live without Gaudreau in the interim. Remains not close

Might not be the worst thing in the world to have him holdout and miss some time to start the season. Johnny would crack pretty easily I think, not playing hockey and not getting paid is a tough double whammy, could lower his price from what BT wouldve signed him to start the whole season.

The main risk is the Flames absolutely ####ing suck without him, but it would have to be truly horrendous to move the hammer back to Johnny's side.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why wasn't Stamkos paid 'way more' I wonder? The guy scored 60 goals for Petes sake. Plays center and is in his prime.

Maybe, just maybe, you are overvaluing young Johnny.

Stamkos can't be a comparable. He could have been paid way more on an AAV if he chose to take it. He made a decision to take a lower AAV to play in a state where he'll earn the same cash in hand as if he were to have taken the higher AAV due to lower tax rates in Florida compared with Ontario.

[topfiverecords]

Still 21 days to regular season. Once Russia beats Finland this afternoon Johnny will be on a plane to Calgary and they'll have a deal by the end of the month. Then there's still 12 days before the season starts.

[polak]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Might not be the worst thing in the world to have him holdout and miss some time to start the season. Johnny would crack pretty easily I think, not playing hockey and not getting paid is a tough double whammy, could lower his price from what BT wouldve signed him to start the whole season.

The main risk is the Flames absolutely ####ing suck without him, but it would have to be truly horrendous to move the hammer back to Johnny's side.

I don't want to piss of our Franchise player.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

I don't want to piss of our Franchise player.

He isn't our franchise players, he's one of many important pieces.

Thankfully the people in charge of this negotiations aren't worrying about such childish things. It's a business, they're doing business things. Maybe someone gets upset, but that'll happen, I truly doubt it gets to the point of someone being upset beyond repair.

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 12m12 minutes ago Calgary, Alberta
Asked about Gaudreau. Nothing new says BT. I wonder if #Flames are discussing live without Gaudreau in the interim. Remains not close

Life without Gaudreau would result an pandemonium on the streets from the fans.

[Toonage]

I am sure the team knows how important it is this year to get off to a great start, and given their schedule for the first 5 games thats totally achievable. They won't let this drag into the regular season.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Life without Gaudreau would result an pandemonium on the streets from the fans.

We would be re-starting the rebuild essentially. Screw that.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by polak

I don't want to piss of our Franchise player.

Same

I don't get this mentality of holding your ground. Of all the hills to die on. hold out situations are basically a guarantee for relationship souring and player being traded in a couple years down the road.

[sa226]

Haha, typical Roger.

[nik-]

If there's a hill to die on, it might be overpaying a star winger. Lets learn from past lessons about how to build a team.