Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I hope he signs long term in the 6.5 - 7 million range. My bridge deal hopes have dwindled away, but 8 million isn't the current value of Gaudreau. Only 15 people on the poll think he is and it just happens that one of them is very vocal on here.

Not actually. Gaudreauvertime is not among the 15 posters who voted for a signed contract over $8.0 m.

[monkeyman]

Johnny's a rink rat. you know once the WCH is done he's going to be champing at the bit to get back on the ice and compete, especially if team NA is knocked out of the playoff rounds. I think this gets resolved quickly.

[Huntingwhale]

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not actually. Gaudreauvertime is not among the 15 posters who voted for a signed contract over $8.0 m.

He must be still too young to vote.

[Strange Brew]

3 games proves nothing. And team NA is likely done now. But I am just a teeny bit more willing to throw a little extra cake at Johnny after watching him play. Just imagine if that team beat Canada in the finals, with Johnny as tournament MVP. Wouldnt hurt his position.

Mackinnon would sure look good on the Flames.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said earlier, if anything this tournament has proven that the risk of him falling off is marginal. He is worth every bit of 8M. He'd get paid way more as a UFA.

Why wasn't Stamkos paid 'way more' I wonder? The guy scored 60 goals for Petes sake. Plays center and is in his prime.

Maybe, just maybe, you are overvaluing young Johnny.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why wasn't Stamkos paid 'way more' I wonder? The guy scored 60 goals for Petes sake. Plays center and is in his prime.

Maybe, just maybe, you are overvaluing young Johnny.

Because 1) Stamkos decided to take a discount and 2) he's not a 60 goal scorer any more.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I hope he signs long term in the 6.5 - 7 million range. My bridge deal hopes have dwindled away, but 8 million isn't the current value of Gaudreau. Only 15 people on the poll think he is and it just happens that one of them is very vocal on here.

I expect a 7 year deal to come in around 7.3M. I actually think that puts me in the majority, where most other people posting in this thread are the vocal minority on the low end.

Anything above 7.6M over 7 years is starting to get expensive, but I'd pay it if it meant getting term.

8 years I'd expect anywhere between 7.5-8M, anything above 8.3M starts getting expensive. But like I said, I'd pay it if it meant getting him for the entirety of his prime.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I expect a 7 year deal to come in around 7.3M. I actually think that puts me in the majority, where most other people posting in this thread are the vocal minority on the low end.

Anything above 7.6M over 7 years is starting to get expensive, but I'd pay it if it meant getting term.

8 years I'd expect anywhere between 7.5-8M, anything above 8.3M starts getting expensive. But like I said, I'd pay it if it meant getting him for the entirety of his prime.

Your AAV is probably right (or close to right), but I think Treliving probably wants an 8 year deal. Looking at the contracts of Brodie, Hamilton, Giordano and Monahan, it seems like Treliving wants to avoid another situation where he needs to negotiate two big contracts in the same year.

Of course, we'll have to see how Bennett and Tkachuk play out as well, but staggered contracts seem like the way to go.

[AltaGuy]

I'd still do 8x8. But 7.5M over 8 seems like a great deal to me.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I expect a 7 year deal to come in around 7.3M. I actually think that puts me in the majority, where most other people posting in this thread are the vocal minority on the low end.

I expect something the same.
People aren't disagreeing on that point. They are disagreeing with the rationales you are using to arrive at that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not actually. Gaudreauvertime is not among the 15 posters who voted for a signed contract over $8.0 m.

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

He must be still too young to vote.

He did vote, just not for $8M. Fun fact - I voted for a slightly higher amount than he did.

[saillias]

if you're keeping track of the dad bod, it has now developed moobs. its pretty much perfect now, close poll please

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I expect a 7 year deal to come in around 7.3M. I actually think that puts me in the majority, where most other people posting in this thread are the vocal minority on the low end.

Anything above 7.6M over 7 years is starting to get expensive, but I'd pay it if it meant getting term.

8 years I'd expect anywhere between 7.5-8M, anything above 8.3M starts getting expensive. But like I said, I'd pay it if it meant getting him for the entirety of his prime.

It is funny you are arguing with everyone when your expectations for a contract fall within the majority of everyone else in the thread. I agree with what you have posted above and would be happy with either deal but the flames need to be buying 2-3 UFA years if Johnny is going to be the highest paid player on the team

[Weitz]

Anyone think that when he burned a year of his contract there was some sort of motivation from the Flames saying "oh you will get paid sooner" or something along those lines, and then now that he doesn't have any rights they play hard ball and cause hurt feelings so to speak?

Was Treliving and co in place when he first came? I'm just speculating as my co-worker brought that up this morning.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Anyone think that when he burned a year of his contract there was some sort of motivation from the Flames saying "oh you will get paid sooner" or something along those lines, and then now that he doesn't have any rights they play hard ball and cause hurt feelings so to speak?

Was Treliving and co in place when he first came? I'm just speculating as my co-worker brought that up this morning.

No, Feaster had been let go and Burke was interim GM. He hates Johnny for being small so he billed his family for the cost of the private jet. The chickens have come home to roost. God dammit Burke.

[stemit14]

IMO... If Johnny's run at the World Cup continues and he impresses against team canada... It should have an influence on the negotiations. Simply the view that everyone will have of a gaudreau signing could be affected. Just look at this thread... Before the tournament there were a lot more people on here saying $6.75 million per year was reasonable.

I think public perception of a $7.5 million+ deal would be much better now... Which puts less pressure on treliving I think. Anyone within the organization or outside the organization would agree that Johnny is worth it I think. Especially after dominating in a best on best tournament.


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[Robbob]

The game against Canada would be a road game, so if he doesn't impress then that would go further to help Trelivings case about home/road splits.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Anyone think that when he burned a year of his contract there was some sort of motivation from the Flames saying "oh you will get paid sooner" or something along those lines, and then now that he doesn't have any rights they play hard ball and cause hurt feelings so to speak?

Was Treliving and co in place when he first came? I'm just speculating as my co-worker brought that up this morning.

If Johnny didn't burn a year he would still have one year on his elc. Instead he is looking at a deal north of $7M per season.

Personally I think Flames management was optimistic about Gaudreau but the kid has been as good or better than most fans wildest dreams. I honestly don't think flames brass thought they were getting a top 6 scorer in the league before this elc expired.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Johnny didn't burn a year he would still have one year on his elc. Instead he is looking at a deal north of $7M per season.

Personally I think Flames management was optimistic about Gaudreau but the kid has been as good or better than most fans wildest dreams. I honestly don't think flames brass thought they were getting a top 6 scorer in the league before this elc expired.

Which again proves that it is pointless to set a future team salary structure before things materialize (or don't matrerialize). They can't worry about what Bennett or Tkachuk will want before they even prove themselves, just like they shouldn't have planned future contracts around what they thought Gaudreau would be worth.

I think they need to pay Gaudreau his current market value and then worry about Bennett and Tkachuk when they cross that bridge. The talk about leverage should be meaningless when it comes to market value (i.e., a team shouldn't over pay just because a player has leverage, and they shouldn't under pay just because they have leverage). The most important thing is to be as flexible as possible when it comes to moving contracts (i.e., avoid clauses that anchor the contract or diminish the asset value). Every elite team has to deal with those issues... it's simply the price of success these days. You either want it, or you don't.

There is nothing wrong with needing to trade good players for future assets when up against the cap as long as the team is successful and has players coming up the pipeline that can replace their production. If they don't, then it won't be an issue anyway.