Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

You guys coordinate that? Impressive you can all miss the same point so easily.

We missed nothing. You exaggerated, then you through arbitration out like it was some sort of fact that supported your view.

No one knows what he would be awarded in arbitration, and he isn't eligible, so what's the point?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well seeing as that happened years ago and he signed a shorter term contract . . .

Yes but you are arguing that Hall is worth 8MM.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well seeing as that happened years ago and he signed a shorter term contract . . .

7 years instead of 8 and the cap has not rose 25% which is the raise you are trying to justify....

[polak]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

*potential franchise player

I, for one, don't want to pay a player for "what ifs". He's gonna get paid, no doubt, but a million here and a million there is another top six forward for the future. Paying a player for potential is Oiler territory IMO

But you want to risk him holding out, signing a bridge deal and bolting at the first chance over the Potential* cap problems we might* have if two* of our prospects happen to hit there absolute best case*? Gaudreau is the absolute best case scenario that any prospect could possibly turn into. He's a franchise player. You don't mess with that over a mill or two that might, MIGHT, hurt you down the road.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I was responding to someone who didn't think Gaudreau was worth 8M.

He's probably not, because as a 2 year pro, there's all kinds of risk that has to be accounted for, and only a limited track record. I hope and believe he will maintain and even get better. But there is a not marginal chance that he won't.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

7 years instead of 8 and the cap has not rose 25% which is the raise you are trying to justify....

Hall's 80 point season came after his contract was signed . . . And 6M was 10% of the cap in 2012-2013

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He's probably not, because as a 2 year pro, there's all kinds of risk that has to be accounted for, and only a limited track record. I hope and believe he will maintain and even get better. But there is a not marginal chance that he won't.

Like I said earlier, if anything this tournament has proven that the risk of him falling off is marginal. He is worth every bit of 8M. He'd get paid way more as a UFA.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wow... this debate is still going on eh? Interesting.

These last few pages is some of the best conversation I've seen on here. I guess its cause neither side is right or wrong and I feel like most of us agree with most of the points from either side. We just each have our stance on how much we like watching a super star.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I don't think its ego thats holding things back, merely an agent who is trying to get as much as he can for the player. Thats fine as that's his job. But the Flames have an offer out to him and to believe otherwise is just being obtuse. Whether you agree its fair or not goes back to what i said...fair is a subjective term.

First of all, I appreciate the source. Not sarcasm, just genuine thanks.

Secondly, I never said I didn't think the Flames had an offer in. Of course they do, that's how negotiations work. They're starting point is in that $6.5M ballpark and Gaudreau's starting point is in the $8M range.

But like you've also said, what's fair is subjective. So let's assume that both camps are sticking with their initial offers of $6.5M and $8M respectively. Who's to say which said is offering the "fair deal" and which said is simply holding out. My point wasn't to say one side is right and the other is wrong, but to point out the faulty narrative of claiming the Flames have obviously offered a fair deal and it's Gaudreau who's refusing the take it.

Yup all true. Doesnt change what I said though.

Also as an aside, I think its uite likely that Smid is LTIR still which will add another 3 million to the cap space a day into the season.

Doesn't change what you said about what? That they can still sign Gaudreau over the cap? Sure, but once again... why?

Also, yes, Smid will give them LTIR relief, but they need to be cap compliant on their opening day roster. It's only after that that they can put Smid on LTIR. So they're still in the same predicament.

Signing Gaudreau to a contract that puts them over the cap also puts them behind the 8-ball to fix that situation. It's better to move the money around first or, better yet, sign him to middle of the road $7.25M deal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said earlier, if anything this tournament has proven that the risk of him falling off is marginal. He is worth every bit of 8M. He'd get paid way more as a UFA.

Good news... he will be a UFA one day. And will get paid more.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So it looks like Gross and company have decided its time to raise the stakes and start making threats.

Disappointing. But not surprising.

Huh?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Good news... he will be a UFA one day. And will get paid more.

Still not grasping the point, huh?

[nik-]

You almost have us convinced to sign him at whatever he asks for Lewis. Just a few more posts will do it I'm sure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Still not grasping the point, huh?

rejecting the point =/= not grasping the point

and vainly attempting to insult me wont get Johnny and more cash

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Hall's 80 point season came after his contract was signed . . . And 6M was 10% of the cap in 2012-2013

The Cap was $70.2 million on the day Hall signed his contract (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/n...cap-2012-2013/). It was reduced to $60 million after the lockout ended.

On the day he signed, he was taking 8.5% of the available Cap. That would be $6.24 million under today's cap.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said earlier, if anything this tournament has proven that the risk of him falling off is marginal. He is worth every bit of 8M. He'd get paid way more as a UFA.

Again 3 games isn't sufficient to prove a dam thing

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said earlier, if anything this tournament has proven that the risk of him falling off is marginal. He is worth every bit of 8M. He'd get paid way more as a UFA.

How did it "prove" that? It's cemented your opinion of him falling off, but it's still an opinion.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Huh?

Not grasping the point?

[Samonadreau]

Gaudreauvertime, were you a Flames fan before Johnny hockey was in Calgary?

I guess I'm asking if you are a Flames fan first or a Gaudreau fan first?

Just trying to figure you out.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by polak

But you want to risk him holding out, signing a bridge deal and bolting at the first chance over the Potential* cap problems we might* have if two* of our prospects happen to hit there absolute best case*? Gaudreau is the absolute best case scenario that any prospect could possibly turn into. He's a franchise player. You don't mess with that over a mill or two that might, MIGHT, hurt you down the road.

I hope he signs long term in the 6.5 - 7 million range. My bridge deal hopes have dwindled away, but 8 million isn't the current value of Gaudreau. Only 15 people on the poll think he is and it just happens that one of them is very vocal on here.