New Cowboys a no-go

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yeah cause Cowboys created these people.

It might not have created them, but it sure encouraged their behaviour. Just like the Stampede, when every out-of-town roidhead with a grudge streams into Calgary and starts fights with anything that moves.

Why can't we be like Montreal and just have hot strippers everywhere?

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Why can't we be like Montreal and just have hot strippers everywhere?

I suggest we start a civic petition to address this very issue. It's high time Calgary got some "culture"!

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I personally dont like or have ever appreciated Cowboys as a club. But to deny the club due to its location in the core is absurd. The location was going to be downtown, so for anyone to not want a club in the core for noise reasons needs to move to a small town or the burbs.

If one lives in any downtown core in any major city, one is to expect noise and deal with it. Some of the decisions this city council makes with respect to certain decisions really puzzles me. No wonder our downtown is considered a boring place to be at night.

I lived downtown up until a couple of years ago and never once did I complain about noise. I fully expect to not have the tranquility that one would have in the suburbs. You dont move or live downtown in the hopes you will have peace and quiet.

If that wasnt the reason for the denial, then I have no complaint, however if it is, I once again shake my head at this council.

###

[urban1]

^ living downtown doesnt mean you expect to live in a neighbourhood where anything goes.

I dont think Cowboys did much for downtown in its old location. It brought in a bunch of rowdies who came down to drink, party at Cowboys, the loiter around the streets causing trouble, and then go home to the burbs where they lived. The cowboys customers didnt spend money elsewhere downtown... they didnt come to shop or to eat dinner or to spend money on other entertainment through the night.

Compare that a lounge that might cater to the young professional crowd downtown. This clientelle might go shop afterwork at some stores downtown, they might go for dinner, and then hit the lounge, and the go see a show. This adds something to the downtown in terms of economics but also in terms of a bit of vibrancy.

I bet if a restaurant or a resto/lounge combo like Earls wanted to open up at the proposed Cowboys location there would be less opposition. Or even a hippie all night coffee house that would attract artist types... this would add more to the vibrancy of downtown and wouldnt get the same opposition.

[ZDogg]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

Aside from knowing how to make money I seriously haven't heard any thing good said about Vicker's and I wont even mention what people I know who have worked for him have said.

When the Flames were in dire need for fans (99? 2000?) he offered up $1000 in gift certificates for anyone signing up for new season tickets. I collected on the deal. Although i never personally used the gift certificates (gave most away) they were basically equivalent to money and could be used at The Drink, Ceilis, Chop House, Zen 8 and Cowboys.

That seemed like a classy move to help spur the season ticket drive.... which may have helped keep our beloved Flames in town.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

here here

It's hear hear, not here here.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Why can't we be like Montreal and just have hot strippers everywhere?

+1

[foofighter15]

People are going to complain no matter where it goes. It's called 'Not in my Backyard'.
As much as I also hate the people that guy to these bars like everyone else here, I've still had good times there.
I thought we were trying to Urbanize our downtown, wouldn't this be part of it.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by ZDogg

Although i never personally used the gift certificates (gave most away) they were basically equivalent to money and could be used at The Drink, Ceilis, Chop House, Zen 8 and Cowboys.

Doesn't he own all of those establishments also?

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yeah cause Cowboys created these people. I think they had a lab in the back, and would clone them and send them out through the bathroom stalls!

Whats wrong with the crowd at Cowboys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M
WARNING: Plenty of f-bombs on this, may not be worksafe

[lifer]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Whats wrong with the crowd at Cowboys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M
WARNING: Plenty of f-bombs on this, may not be worksafe

Ha. That was great.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

People are going to complain no matter where it goes. It's called 'Not in my Backyard'.
As much as I also hate the people that guy to these bars like everyone else here, I've still had good times there.
I thought we were trying to Urbanize our downtown, wouldn't this be part of it.

"Not In My Back Yard" doesn't apply here. It applies to something that we actually need, but nobody wants to be near it.

"NIMBY" means "Oh, sure, we need a homeless shelter, but it wouldn't work well in my neighbourhood" or "Yes, the airport should expand, to the north, not into our residential area" or "I agree, we need a new firestation, but not in my backyard".

Nobody says "Yes, the city needs a giant drinking warehouse that attracts the city's dumbest, loudest and most irresponsible people, but not in my backyard".

And no, this would not be part of "urbanizing" downtown. It would probably have the reverse effect. A giant, well-oiled, garbage, blood, sirens and puke generating circus plopped into the middle of it isn't going to urbanize anything.

[ZDogg]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Doesn't he own all of those establishments also?

Sure does. The point is he was giving away Free Gift Certificates (lost profits) to encourage season ticket commitments for the Flames.

[urban1]

Shops, boutiques, galleries, theatres, restaurants, cafes, live music venues, and lounges would "urbanize" and revitalize the downtown.

Cowboys... people go in... drink for 5 hours.... then go eat a hotdog at the hotdog cart... loiter the streets... then go home. This doesnt do much to "urbanize" anything.

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I thought we were trying to Urbanize our downtown, wouldn't this be part of it.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

We all know that Cowboys is not your standard bar - we all know what kind of a zoo it gets to be around there at close. I think residents should expect a certainly level of noise living downtown, but the level of mayhem and chaos that Cowboys brings is certainly in excess of that. I suspect the residents of Eau Claire wouldn't have objected as strenuously if Flames Central was moving there.

No one is saying that downtown doesn't need some nightlife. But downtown is a big place and there's places well suited for a place like Cowboys, and other that are not. Next to 2 hotels and a residential area would seem to fall into the "not" category.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by urban1

Cowboys... people go in... drink for 5 hours.... then go eat a hotdog at the hotdog cart... loiter the streets...Regurgitate said hot dog... then go home. This doesnt do much to "urbanize" anything.

Fixed for you.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by urban1

Shops, boutiques, galleries, theatres, restaurants, cafes, live music venues, and lounges would "urbanize" and revitalize the downtown.

Cowboys... people go in... drink for 5 hours.... then go eat a hotdog at the hotdog cart... loiter the streets... then go home. This doesnt do much to "urbanize" anything.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

"Not In My Back Yard" doesn't apply here. It applies to something that we actually need, but nobody wants to be near it.

"NIMBY" means "Oh, sure, we need a homeless shelter, but it wouldn't work well in my neighbourhood" or "Yes, the airport should expand, to the north, not into our residential area" or "I agree, we need a new firestation, but not in my backyard".

Nobody says "Yes, the city needs a giant drinking warehouse that attracts the city's dumbest, loudest and most irresponsible people, but not in my backyard".

And no, this would not be part of "urbanizing" downtown. It would probably have the reverse effect. A giant, well-oiled, garbage, blood, sirens and puke generating circus plopped into the middle of it isn't going to urbanize anything.

Are you guys nuts? It has so much to do with Urbanzing downtown. Take Whistler for example (yes I know its a party town and all that) but the downtown area they have is something that Calgary needs too. Its the place to go, and Calgary needs that. If all the bars were in a more centralized spot things would go alot smoother.
I'm not saying mix everything up and have everything in one spot, but I'm saying have different sections of downtown be different things.
S.E. corner of downtown by the stampede is becoming the area where condo's are going up. So continue to allow that to be a living area. Then pick a spot where a bunch of bars can go. And a spot where a bunch of nicer restaurants can go.

I don't see why everyone is tearing apart the meatheads in this thread. We've all been drunk, and we've all been that age (i currently am that age, and probably drunk) but my point is
Cowboys is going to find a spot, and no matter where it is, someone is going to say it is to close to where they live.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Cowboys smells like pee.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Are you guys nuts? It has so much to do with Urbanzing downtown. Take Whistler for example (yes I know its a party town and all that) but the downtown area they have is something that Calgary needs too. Its the place to go, and Calgary needs that. If all the bars were in a more centralized spot things would go alot smoother.
I'm not saying mix everything up and have everything in one spot, but I'm saying have different sections of downtown be different things.
S.E. corner of downtown by the stampede is becoming the area where condo's are going up. So continue to allow that to be a living area. Then pick a spot where a bunch of bars can go. And a spot where a bunch of nicer restaurants can go.

I don't see why everyone is tearing apart the meatheads in this thread. We've all been drunk, and we've all been that age (i currently am that age, and probably drunk) but my point is
Cowboys is going to find a spot, and no matter where it is, someone is going to say it is to close to where they live.

I wouldn't really say Whistler's downtown has any culture... just a place where you can get an ST(I) and maybe some cheap drugs.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by peter12

I wouldn't really say Whistler's downtown has any culture... just a place where you can get an ST(I) and maybe some cheap drugs.

haha be that as it may, but in my mind a properly urbanized area is active almost 24/7. I wouldn't say it has the most culture, but you can walk around downtown almost all day and all night and be around alot of people and not be walking alone down a dark street