Suicide jumper

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Are you a student?

I wasn't at the time, no.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

I wasn't at the time, no.

Inpatient = check yourself in and stay there for a while for emergency patients.
Outpatient = get a referal from your doc and visit a psychatrist.

Well if the service was free, I don't know what to say. I know that with outpatient services mental health services I was looking at a 12-18 month wait time - that was with my family doc's referal - I read the letter they sent back to me.

However, I was able to go through the University's service and they only had a 1 month wait time for it.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

I'm not even going to comment on this... I know what I have gone through, what i've experience and my family members have experienced.

As i'm sure you have too... but adding validity to my opinion, yes I think it does. Moreso than yours? Maybe, maybe not. Who cares? I'm just giving my opinion, nobody's opinions are more "valid" than anyone elses, their opinions are their own.

Agreed but you also said:

"Like it or not. I've had more experience on this subject than most here."

Which I find to be a pretty large assumption.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Scrambler, I'm sorry you had to witness such a horrible thing. Seeing the life of another human end is never a pleasant thing no matter what the circumstances.

Jordon, I appreciate that you've been through some troubling and distressing situations but some of your views strike me as very egocentric. One has to understand that no two people have the same life experience so what may have worked for you may not work for others. If this were truly a "one-size-fits-all" world then as soon as one person found resolution for their illness, addiction, psychiatric disorder, troubling situation or what have you then it would mean that everyone else would just have to do exactly the same thing to remedy their situation. Unfortunately, life is not nearly as easy and clean cut as that. Things get complicated. One person's perception is different from another's. Rock bottom means different things to different people. We can try to "reasonably predict" what the outcome of a situation will be if X steps are taken but we can never say with any certainty that success is 100% assured. The world and the people that live in it are just too variable for cookie cutter approaches when it comes to solving life's problems. I'm not saying that people don't ever make mistakes when it comes to difficult choices. What I'm saying is that humans are fallible and prone to errors in judgement based on perception, ego, jealousy, psychiatric disorders, character flaws, predispositions and every other variable under the sun. It is the nature of being human. One can never truly understand what it is like for another person in a given situation because we can never live in that person's skin and experience life through their eyes.

Fair enough Reaper. I guess EgoCentric is the right word. Because when you go through it, one way out is to be confident and proud of yourself. That's a big part of depression. You feel like nothing, like absolute ****. Once you start improving you get a big boost of self pride and confidence that you really don't want to get rid of because you remember the times when you felt like dirt.

Good insight Reap. So I appologize for being EgoCentric but I guess that's just a part of me now. Right now I feel like the world is mine. I'm proud of myself.

I don't look down on those who are depressed.
I frown upon and shake my head the choice made by those who take the suicide route as a "way out"

Then again as Reaper has said, I haven't been in their skin, I've experience the Feeling of depression but had the support and experience that suicide was never really an option to me.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Agreed but you also said:

"Like it or not. I've had more experience on this subject than most here."

Which I find to be a pretty large assumption.

I said most here, and that's something that I stand by. I didn't say i've experienced more than Everyone on here. Large assumption? True, but that's all it is, an assumption.

[Buff]

Jordan, what about the people who seek help but still commit suicide? Obviously their illness was much worse than yours. Like others have been trying to tell you. It isn't an open and shut case. Every situation is different than yours.

Nobody is condoning the actions of those who commit suicide, we're just being compassionate to their mental disease.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Inpatient = check yourself in and stay there for a while for emergency patients.
Outpatient = get a referal from your doc and visit a psychatrist.

Well if the service was free, I don't know what to say. I know that with outpatient services mental health services I was looking at a 12-18 month wait time - that was with my family doc's referal - I read the letter they sent back to me.

However, I was able to go through the University's service and they only had a 1 month wait time for it.

That's pretty unfortunate... It was definetely an outpatient service. At the time, If I had to wait that long who knows what would've happened...

I can give you the name of the doctor and clinic that I saw, maybe you got referred to the wrong place? Or I was just lucky. Because it was during the peak time (around Christmas) and honestly no longer than a week until I made my first consultation.

Then I went once a week for almost 6 months, to once every month, to once every 3 months to now once every 6 months.

My doc is just an awesome guy, i'd consider him a genius actually. He's more a mentor now than anything. He's a little on the alternative side of things, no anti-depressants. Instead I take Omega-3's and a very mild sedative for times when I experience anxiety, combined with breathing excercizes and mindful meditiation and understanding why you feel the way you do.

I don't think I spent more than 15 minutes talking about my problems with him, it's not like that. It's all about understanding the way you feel and trying to change your brain's natural instincts to perform differently.

It's a long process but an effective one.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by Buff

Jordan, what about the people who seek help but still commit suicide? Obviously their illness was much worse than yours. Like others have been trying to tell you. It isn't an open and shut case. Every situation is different than yours.

Nobody is condoning the actions of those who commit suicide, we're just being compassionate to their mental disease.

Don't take my words as gospel here... it's my opinion based off of my personal illness and experience. As I said, my aunt killed herself and seeing what that did to my grandparents ****es me off.

I'm sorry, but it does and I can't change that.

[Buff]

Here we are, lambasting Jordan for being inconsiderate when Scrambler witnessed a very disturbing scene. Sorry Scrambler.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Buff

Here we are, lambasting Jordan for being inconsiderate when Scrambler witnessed a very disturbing scene. Sorry Scrambler.

To true...its a disturbing thing to experience and one that Scrambler has to make sure he is ok with. **** like that can fester. But I agree we've kinda got sidetracked but that's ok...this is a topic that isn't talked about enough.

But I also wanted add to your other point above....some folks will spend thier life trying to get help. Different forms of help work for different people. Some get what they need from one on one therapy, others group therapy, others medication, others by going to facility to live for a time, others a combination of all of the above.

But for some none of it works. And they eventually resort to suicide, despite their own efforts to find another way, and the efforts of those around you.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by Buff

Here we are, lambasting Jordan for being inconsiderate when Scrambler witnessed a very disturbing scene. Sorry Scrambler.

Jeez, yeah. Sorry you had to see that scrambler. I didn't realize you actually witnessed that.

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Buff

Here we are, lambasting Jordan for being inconsiderate when Scrambler witnessed a very disturbing scene. Sorry Scrambler.

It's not a problem, it actually started a very legitimate discussion anyway. I will have that disturbing 8 seconds vision in my mind forever, but I'll get over it. It makes it easier because I didn't know the guy. I can't imagine watching someone I know do that, now that would be traumitizing.

[Cube Inmate]

More like 4-5 s if my calculations are correct

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

More like 4-5 s if my calculations are correct

It's amazing how much long 4-5 seconds really is.

[Cube Inmate]

^^ I believe that. The jump from the 3 m diving tower @ at the pool seemed to take forever for me. Can't imagine how many thoughts could rush through your mind in 100 m of fall time (or watching it happen).

[Clarkey]

Thankfully, I have never had to witness such a thing. And I hope I never do. I'm not the squeemesh type but I know that witnessing a suicide or finding someone's body post suicide would really bother me.

[jar_e]

I'd be interested to see the amount of attempts/committed stats. At work, we deal with suicide attempts numerous times in a day, but an actual committed suicide is definitely more rare.

Scrambler, I'd definitely recommend getting "help" if you see fit. There's no point on just shrugging it off and trying to overcome it...sometimes being a witness to something that traumatic can be quite detrimental to the individual. I know of a few resources we've utilized in situations like this, I could probably get you a few contacts if need be.

Jared

[metallicat]

I'm sorry you had to deal with that Scrambler. My mother found the old lady across the street dead after she had hung herself. I can only imagine what it would have been like to actually WITNESS the act in person.

Take care of yourself.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Does anyone find it ironic that Jordon has the attitude he does towards suicide when he essentially committed virtual suicide here not too long ago?

I don't think we can judge anyone when it comes to suicide. We haven't walked a mile in their shoes, so we can't really say what we would do. I know that some people have no choice. There is no way out and taking your own life is usually the easiest way for everyone involved.

My wife wrote a book on being a survivor after a family member commits suicide. She surveyed people from all over North America and the stories are unbelieveable. My wife lost her father to suicide and the impact on her family has been interesting to see. It is a turning point for all those that are left behind. Some go positive directions, others don't. It really tests the individual. It's a very personal issue, one that we will never be able to understand until it touches our lives directly.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Does anyone find it ironic that Jordon has the attitude he does towards suicide when he essentially committed virtual suicide here not too long ago?

I don't think we can judge anyone when it comes to suicide. We haven't walked a mile in their shoes, so we can't really say what we would do. I know that some people have no choice. There is no way out and taking your own life is usually the easiest way for everyone involved.

My wife wrote a book on being a survivor after a family member commits suicide. She surveyed people from all over North America and the stories are unbelieveable. My wife lost her father to suicide and the impact on her family has been interesting to see. It is a turning point for all those that are left behind. Some go positive directions, others don't. It really tests the individual. It's a very personal issue, one that we will never be able to understand until it touches our lives directly.

Yeah because the internet is real life...