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SofaProfessor · 10-08-2014, 08:15 AM

Sven probably gets called up after the first injury to a top 9 forward and then we all forget about this nonsense.

Resolute 14 · 10-08-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

A) I don't remember this at all.
2) We talking about the same Horak who is back in Europe because no team wanted him?

Horak is an RFA. He's back in Europe because he doesn't want the Oilers.

Also, every coach rubs someone the wrong way. It is inevitable when one man has to manage 23 different personalities, styles and egos.

BigFlameDog · 10-08-2014, 08:17 AM

My opinion is this shakes out similar to Backlund and in a couple years he is a regular and we forget all about this junk.

He is close and will be up with the team at some point before Christmas, maybe up and down a bit this year before becoming a full time NHL'er next season...with the Flames.

Drury18 · 10-08-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

A) I don't remember this at all.

2) We talking about the same Horak who is back in Europe because no team wanted him?

Horak was offered a two way contract with the Oilers and he wanted a one way so he explored other options. The Oilers still retain his rights. He felt he would be buried in the minors because of the influx of higher picks Edmonton had and that prospects drafted by Edmonton would be given playing time over him even if he was playing well. That's what happened to him the previous season. He only had 2 call-ups despite being the best player on the ice for OKC on several occasions.

He went to one of the worst teams in the KHL to get more playing time and actually develop. And actually play centre. In Vitayz he is only playing centre and in 12 games has 5g, 4a.

BigFlameDog · 10-08-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Horak is an RFA. He's back in Europe because he doesn't want the Oilers.

Also, every coach rubs someone the wrong way. It is inevitable when one man has to manage 23 different personalities, styles and egos.

He couldn't crack the Oilers....that's why he's back in Europe.

I admit I didn't have the same love affair with him as some on here did....he was on the Flames because of the lack of available bodies at the time and Feaster was the GM. IMO of course.

Edit:Sorry Resolute...totally agree with the rest of your post.

kehatch · 10-08-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

They want him to go Adirondack like a professional and play the game like he's capable of. There was a spot for him, and he was very clearly beat out for that spot by Johnny Gaudreau. The competition is great for the team.

If Baertschi goes down and plays well he'll get called up sooner rather than later. He's still young, and this route is take with players his age all over the league. In no way is this the injustice you're making it out to be and you've gone from voicing an opinion about it to outright whining.

This is such a generic comment. If the true story is that there was more than one prospect deserving of a spot but only one spot to give on a bottom 5 rebuilding team then that is a problem.

Using a variation of the Flames own opening night line up they could have easily went:

Gaudreau-Colborne-Byron
Baertschi-Backlund-Raymond
Glencross-Monahan-Hudler
Bollig-Stajan-Bouma
X-McGrattan-Jones

Beyond that the Flames had the entire off season to address the probability that they would have more then one LW prospect make this team.

edslunch · 10-08-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Under normal circumstances, I would agree. But if the first call up is within the next few weeks, I think both Granlund and Ferland are more likely to be passed over. Granlund, because he is coming back from concussion protocol, and Ferland, because he has only played a handful of AHL games. I believe that he will be given extra time to make adjustments this year.

As much as Sven shouldn't be handed something on a platter, it might be best for him if was unexpectedly thrust into the lineup under circumstances like this and let him sink or swim.

BigFlameDog · 10-08-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Drury18

Horak was offered a two way contract with the Oilers and he wanted a one way so he explored other options. The Oilers still retain his rights. He felt he would be buried in the minors because of the influx of higher picks Edmonton had and that prospects drafted by Edmonton would be given playing time over him even if he was playing well. That's what happened to him the previous season. He only had 2 call-ups despite being the best player on the ice for OKC on several occasions.

He went to one of the worst teams in the KHL to get more playing time and actually develop. And actually play centre. In Vitayz he is only playing centre and in 12 games has 5g, 4a.

You guys can color it with whatever crayon you want....he could crack being an NHL regular in Edmonton....that's why he's in Europe and, more importantly, that's probably why the Flames were ok with trading him.

Textcritic · 10-08-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

He couldn't crack the Oilers....that's why he's back in Europe.

I admit I didn't have the same love affair with him as some on here did....he was on the Flames because of the lack of available bodies at the time and Feaster was the GM. IMO of course.

He made the Flames out of camp and debuted with the team in 2011, when D. Sutter was still the GM.

Textcritic · 10-08-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

As much as Sven shouldn't be handed something on a platter, it might be best for him if was unexpectedly thrust into the lineup under circumstances like this and let him sink or swim.

Could be. But if so, this is something that I would expect management and the coaches to have a better handle on than anyone else.

edslunch · 10-08-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

This is such a generic comment. If the true story is that there was more than one prospect deserving of a spot but only one spot to give on a bottom 5 rebuilding team then that is a problem.

Using a variation of the Flames own opening night line up they could have easily went:

Gaudreau-Colborne-Byron
Baertschi-Backlund-Raymond
Glencross-Monahan-Hudler
Bollig-Stajan-Bouma
X-McGrattan-Jones

Beyond that the Flames had the entire off season to address the probability that they would have more then one LW prospect make this team.

Treliving mentioned more that once yesterday that he was surprised so many prospects were close to ready and that there was so much depth. I wonder if he would have made a different choice with Setoguchi in hindsight

heep223 · 10-08-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

Horak complained about the coach after he was traded so maybe he rubs some players the wrong was or vice versa. Then again it's probably easy for a player to feel they were treated unfairly

Source?

rollie619 · 10-08-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

He made the Flames out of camp and debuted with the team in 2011, when D. Sutter was still the GM.

Sutter was fired in December 2010...

Clever_Iggy · 10-08-2014, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

This is such a generic comment. If the true story is that there was more than one prospect deserving of a spot but only one spot to give on a bottom 5 rebuilding team then that is a problem.

Using a variation of the Flames own opening night line up they could have easily went:

Gaudreau-Colborne-Byron
Baertschi-Backlund-Raymond
Glencross-Monahan-Hudler
Bollig-Stajan-Bouma
X-McGrattan-Jones

Beyond that the Flames had the entire off season to address the probability that they would have more then one LW prospect make this team.

Again, there's way too much focus on the opening roster.

Treliving stated yesterday on the Fan (and I'm paraphrasing) that "training camp and preseason is different for the vets than it is for the young guys".

After listening to Treliving and Hartley's interviews the past couple days, noting that Jones and Setoguchi were the extra forwards, acknowledging that we have a GM that believes and has stated numerous times that a prospect cannot be damaged by an extra day, week, month or couple months in the AHL and a little common sense, I am convinced that the Jones, Setoguchis and Widemans of the Flames are on notice and it's only a matter of time for Granlund, Ferland, Baertschi, Wotherspoon, et al.

The stupid focus on "never given, always earned" as ONLY being inclusive of camp and preseason has resulted in people panicking that the roster is set, evaluations are over and anyone over the age of 25 (some would prefer that number to be 20) can settle in for a comfort-filled season of job security. It's just not true. Let's enjoy Johnny Gaudreau's start to his first season and wait until the Flames have 20-30 games in.

edslunch · 10-08-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rollie619

Sutter was fired in December 2010...

Feaster traded for Horak. It was B. Sutter as coach who played him that season. He said he "played the game the right way"

edslunch · 10-08-2014, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Source?

I can't find it but other posters can vouch for it. Regardless i'd put it down mostly to sour grapes from a player who went from one coach's darling back to a tweener

driveway · 10-08-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

As long as Baertschi isn't a big man-baby like Lindros, and needs mommy and daddy's help being a big boy, I don't think we have anything to worry about. Dad being a dad, nothing to see here IMO.

Holy crap. I just opened this thread and saw this post. This is the worst post I've ever seen on CP. Is there a "thinks this poster deserves a public stoning" option instead of "thanks"?

kehatch · 10-08-2014, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Again, there's way too much focus on the opening roster.

Treliving stated yesterday on the Fan (and I'm paraphrasing) that "training camp and preseason is different for the vets than it is for the young guys".

After listening to Treliving and Hartley's interviews the past couple days, noting that Jones and Setoguchi were the extra forwards, acknowledging that we have a GM that believes and has stated numerous times that a prospect cannot be damaged by an extra day, week, month or couple months in the AHL and a little common sense, I am convinced that the Jones, Setoguchis and Widemans of the Flames are on notice and it's only a matter of time for Granlund, Ferland, Baertschi, Wotherspoon, et al.

The stupid focus on "never given, always earned" as ONLY being inclusive of camp and preseason has resulted in people panicking that the roster is set, evaluations are over and anyone over the age of 25 (some would prefer that number to be 20) can settle in for a comfort-filled season of job security. It's just not true. Let's enjoy Johnny Gaudreau's start to his first season and wait until the Flames have 20-30 games in.

Sorry, but this is another generic argument. 'People are too focused on day one rather then the 82 game season.' I don't care what people are focused on or how they take this. I do care how the prospects and players do. And in the context of this thread it doesn't appear that Baertschi is taking it well.

I realize many think all of these kids should stop being kids and instead be mentally tough robots that never let things effect them. But that isn't fair. If Baertschi does let this effect him he comes out slow in the AHL that just continues the cycle. Then we are talking about a prospect that just needs a change of scenery (aka a trade) to get a fresh start on another team (aka Nino, Turris, Seguin...).

The Flames management shouldn't be letting an environment exist that has their top prospects needing a change of scenery.

FBI · 10-08-2014, 08:55 AM

Wow I completely missed the Horak dissing Hartley thread.. (or have a terrible memory) Hope we can find it.

Clever_Iggy · 10-08-2014, 08:56 AM

Conroy on the Fan960 (paraphrasing):

Sven will be coming back up down the line. Sending him down was really tough.

When he has the puck, he's fine. It's when we doesn't, that's where he needs to work. When the puck comes around the boards, getting it out. The little things are what he needs to work on.

His attitude this year is much better than it was last year [I believe this was referring to being sent down].

FWIW.