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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
The one thing that it seems most of the insiders say is that Conroy has a price for his players and that he won’t trade them until that price is met (or close to it). Saw Friedman say it, saw Dreger say it, and it actually rings true to me when I think about his trades. I also think that he is committed to not letting assets walk out the door for nothing. But looking at all his trades (with the possible exception of Zadorov) I believe those two things are his criteria.
Zadorov - I do think Conroy just wanted to get him out of the room. I think the agent comment moved up his timeline. This would be the one exception.
Lindholm - pretty sure the Canucks just met his price
Tanev - I think that was pretty close to his price. Also think he may have been a little worried about injuries with Tanev, by his last 10 games with the Flames it seemed he was leaving almost every game with what looked like could be a serious injury.
Hanifin - I think Conroy had an extension price and probably a rental price and due to some of the shenanigans by the Hanifin camp he took the rental price
Markstrom - I think Conroy had a price. I also don’t think that Bahl was probably in the offers at the deadline but Holtz probably was. Conroy waited and eventually got his price.
Mangiapane - suspect the price was always a 2nd round pick and when someone was willing to pay that price he was moved.
Suspect Conroy has a price for his 3 assets this year and also is committed to not letting Rasmus walk for nothing. Will be interesting to see if or when someone meets the price for any or all of the assets.
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I think there is some of your personal bias here. You obviously strongly approve of Conroy and the moves he's made as GM. You've made assumptions about Conroy's asking price in each of these situations and shifted blame to external factors in situations where the return wasn't as ideal as some might perceive.
I do agree with your assumption that Vancouver most likely met Conroy's ask. That's why the deal was made in January instead of the deadline. And I do agree that he probably wanted Zadorov out ASAP for culture reasons, and accepted whatever he could as soon as possible.
However, I don't think a reasonable ask was ever met for Hanifin, even as a rental. In that case, once the agent was involved and everyone knew it was going to be Vegas or Tampa, Conroy just had to settle for what he could get from those two teams and they knew it. There was even a report recently (from Friedman?) where he basically said that Conroy probably handle that situation differently now and not get the agent involved. That was a learning moment for Conny, and a loss as far as the trade is concerned (and no, don't say "we don't even know what that pick will turn out to be!" People who say that now are the people who in the offseason said the trade is a slam dunk win because the pick is unprotected and could be top 5 because Vegas is old and regressing. No and no. That pick is low 20s, it was always reasonably going to be low 20s, and you're just relying on hitting a homerun with the pick which is rare).
Tanev trade, maybe. Similar rentals have received 1sts in the past but maybe the market was what it was that year.
Markstrom trade - I'm thrilled with how the trade turned out, but we got very lucky with NJ spiraling to end the season and getting us 16th OA. Just like the Hanifin situation, I wonder if Conroy's ask was met or if Conroy just got backed into dealing only with NJ and just squeezed everything he could out of a tough situation. It felt at the end it was NJ or nothing. I wonder if Conroy would do anything differently now, in a similar situation, to open up the competition a bit.
Mangiapane, yeah ok. I could see Conroy asking for a 2nd and Washington ponying up the ask.
The Andersson, Kadri and Coleman trades, we'll see. If Kadri and Coleman get traded this year, I can see it being because someone met Conroy's ask because they still have term. Andersson, I'm not sure. It may just end up being settling for the best return at the deadline instead of losing him for nothing. We'll see.
