12-17-2025, 09:52 PM
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#16441
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
I’m extremely biased but from a team and city perspective I can’t think of a better place to sign long term right now, nor can I think of better trade partners.
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Me too, I've been banging this drum for a long time. I think the Sharks are a couple of D upgrades away from being a playoff contender this season and they will likely be cup contenders in the near term. They might be a couple of steps behind the Stars right now but with the group of talent they have put together, I bet they are better than the Stars soon.
No way that they would move out any of their D prospects though, D is not their strength even though they are overloaded with bodies.
If it is an Andersson sign & trade, then that is big value on the Flames side as the Sharks get the best RD available on the trade board (and take him off the market for the summer). Ideally we would want 1 asset back (high-end C), even if it means having to add more on our side.
The Sharks have to be thinking that with the way the conference and division are sitting right now that if they get those D upgrades immediately, they could try to kick one of the Oilers or Knights out of the division spots instead of hanging out in a wild card spot. (That would be pretty wild to have both the Ducks and Sharks pushing the Pacific conference spots after being bottom feeders last year.)
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12-18-2025, 02:32 AM
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#16442
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: England
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I thought going into the draft where they took Misa I can't see him being happy about being stuck behind so many other top C. Some thought they would just move him to the wing, but what if he doesn't want that. Now he's in the sharks system and is saying he wants to play C they might look to move him. Drafted as a trade chip rather than a team piece going forward?
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12-18-2025, 06:43 AM
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#16443
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UKflames
I thought going into the draft where they took Misa I can't see him being happy about being stuck behind so many other top C. Some thought they would just move him to the wing, but what if he doesn't want that. Now he's in the sharks system and is saying he wants to play C they might look to move him. Drafted as a trade chip rather than a team piece going forward?
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Just two days ago people were saying the Flames should trade Andersson to the Ducks for McQueen because apparently there no room for him either.
Maybe this is the Flames rebiggle plan. Trade our old chunk of coal vets off to teams for premium prospects that other teams just don’t need anyway.
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12-18-2025, 06:47 AM
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#16444
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Somewhere in Utah
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What would Anderson's incentive be for a sign and trade? The more assets coming to Calgary weaken his new team.
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12-18-2025, 06:55 AM
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#16445
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gugstanley
What would Anderson's incentive be for a sign and trade? The more assets coming to Calgary weaken his new team.
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Security. Financial and otherwise. Andersson probably isn’t too concerned about whatever 20 year old that’s going the other way. It won’t be Misa, or McQueen, or Iginla, or any other top prospect anyway.
The primary piece coming back will likely be a first round pick. People should move off this idea the Flames are going to get a recent top 10 pick.
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12-18-2025, 06:55 AM
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#16446
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gugstanley
What would Anderson's incentive be for a sign and trade? The more assets coming to Calgary weaken his new team.
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An extra year of term.
Edit: nope… never mind, they have until deadline.
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12-18-2025, 08:54 AM
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#16447
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UKflames
I thought going into the draft where they took Misa I can't see him being happy about being stuck behind so many other top C. Some thought they would just move him to the wing, but what if he doesn't want that. Now he's in the sharks system and is saying he wants to play C they might look to move him. Drafted as a trade chip rather than a team piece going forward?
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San Jose's 2C is currently Wennberg, who Misa can easily replace in 1 or 2 years. Their 3C is...Gaudette. Will Smith is playing LW with Celebrini. They don't really have any other high profile center prospects, definitely none better than Misa. I would also obviously love to have him too, but I don't think it's realistic at all. If anything, San Jose's deep forward pool might push one or two of Bystedt, Chernyshov, Musty, Haltuunen or McKinney out, all of whom are good to great prospects and more reasonable targets.
You don't trade Malkin because you have Jordan Staal coming up. But you could potentially get a Jordan Staal instead.
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12-18-2025, 08:57 AM
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#16448
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
An extra year of term.
Edit: nope… never mind, they have until deadline.
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Can't he sign a 8 year deal with them into the summer?
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12-18-2025, 09:01 AM
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#16449
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Can't he sign a 8 year deal with them into the summer?
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Once they become UFA, they can't sign the 8 years anymore
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12-18-2025, 09:05 AM
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#16450
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ped
Once they become UFA, they can't sign the 8 years anymore
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I just mean to where he was traded. Like what Hanifin did. Next Sept I think contracts go to 6 and 7 years
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12-18-2025, 09:06 AM
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#16451
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gugstanley
What would Anderson's incentive be for a sign and trade? The more assets coming to Calgary weaken his new team.
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If it's a team he wants to play with and they are basing his contract on his current great play, security is a major thing. It's not uncommon for players to flounder a bit immediately after a trade. If Andersson has a sub par season on a new team, her could find his prospects for signing a huge contract this summer weakened.
The other team may want the sign and trade too. Once again if it's a team that Andersson wants to play for, that might not want him unless he does the sign and trade. If he refuses he gets sent to a team he likes less.
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12-18-2025, 09:09 AM
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#16452
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
I just mean to where he was traded. Like what Hanifin did. Next Sept I think contracts go to 6 and 7 years
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Yes, if he goes to San Jose and signs, he can sign for 8 years. But if he hits free agancy, he can't sign for 8 years anymore, even with whatever team acquires him.
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12-18-2025, 10:05 AM
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#16453
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
If it's a team he wants to play with and they are basing his contract on his current great play, security is a major thing. It's not uncommon for players to flounder a bit immediately after a trade. If Andersson has a sub par season on a new team, her could find his prospects for signing a huge contract this summer weakened.
The other team may want the sign and trade too. Once again if it's a team that Andersson wants to play for, that might not want him unless he does the sign and trade. If he refuses he gets sent to a team he likes less.
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LA by all reports had a long term deal lined up and Ras wouldn't sign there, but I can only assume he'd be fine with or even prefer a sign and trade if the term, dollars and city are right. Would Sharks do 8 x 8, knowing the first five or six years they could be contenders, and by 2031 the cap will be much higher.
Ras gets 64 million guaranteed, goes to a nice town with fantastic weather but less of the crime and unpleasantness of an LA or Chicago.
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Last edited by cam_calderon; 12-18-2025 at 10:07 AM.
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12-18-2025, 10:08 AM
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#16454
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Just two days ago people were saying the Flames should trade Andersson to the Ducks for McQueen because apparently there no room for him either.
Maybe this is the Flames rebiggle plan. Trade our old chunk of coal vets off to teams for premium prospects that other teams just don’t need anyway.
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Recent top 15 picks get traded often (Suzuki, Brannstrom, Savoie, Boqvist, Dach, Geekie) just to cite one 5 year set of drafts but they don’t get traded for the Flames players.
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12-18-2025, 10:13 AM
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#16455
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Franchise Player
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I’m not doubting Oilfan, but the other insiders seem to think there is no smoke here.
Both can be true.
SJS probably just lobbed a low offer over. My guess is that constitutes most of the noise/chatter around Ras. Lots of soft interest from around the league but no one has the sack to get serious. Yet.
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12-18-2025, 10:54 AM
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#16456
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
I’m not doubting Oilfan, but the other insiders seem to think there is no smoke here.
Both can be true.
SJS probably just lobbed a low offer over. My guess is that constitutes most of the noise/chatter around Ras. Lots of soft interest from around the league but no one has the sack to get serious. Yet.
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I trust Oilfan
He's probably more in the know with SJ insider information than most insiders to be honest
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12-18-2025, 11:04 AM
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#16457
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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And as someone said it's possible for all three to be right.
His contact knows of interest, thinks there was an offer, but maybe the offer wasn't communicated yet or something.
Good to see chatter ... should get this moving.
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12-18-2025, 11:06 AM
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#16458
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gugstanley
What would Anderson's incentive be for a sign and trade? The more assets coming to Calgary weaken his new team.
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It doesn't have to be a sign and trade. It could be a trade and sign. But to answer:
Rasmus doesn't necessarily get told about what's coming back. Plus I think that weakening the new team isn't necessarily at the forefron of a player's consideration. They don't necessarily follow prospects like we do, they tend to have considerations like pay, taxes, lifestyle, arena facilities and the people they know of who are on the team. As far as team futures go - Rasmus knos they have Celebrini and Eklund. He knows Toffoli and probably Wennberg, Liljegren and Klingberg.
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12-18-2025, 11:07 AM
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#16459
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan
Just two days ago people were saying the Flames should trade Andersson to the Ducks for McQueen because apparently there no room for him either.
Maybe this is the Flames rebiggle plan. Trade our old chunk of coal vets off to teams for premium prospects that other teams just don’t need anyway.
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It's interesting how the logjam of one organization is the exact same as the logjam for another organization. It is like both the Ducks and Sharks drafted more Cs than they have spots for. Between the two, I do think that McQueen moving is far more likely.
It is also bizarre how far you want to go to devalue Flames assets. Saying the top player on the trade board and the top RD on the UFA board is an "old chunk of coal" is a bit ridiculous.
What you are ignoring in your glib comment is that there is a good chance of a bidding war for Andersson's services with 3 teams wanting to acquire him being division rivals. Sharks, Ducks, and VGK all need an upgrade on RD and are in the same division as the Flames as well as each other. Then the Stars are also in the conference looking to add to ensure they are the West team going to the cup finals.
Teams like the Leafs, Red Wings, Bruins, etc. have also expressed interest which will also keep the price for acquiring Andersson higher than most of the bare-minimum suggestions being thrown about.
None of these teams are bidding in a vacuum. They are bidding against each other to get the player and also to stop the player from making a rival stronger and thus block them from advancing in the playoffs.
Then the fact that these teams are all in the Pacific or the West means that the Flames would be playing against Andersson for the next ~10 years. Considering he is a fan favourite, I would add a division rival tax for acquiring him. (That used to be the norm when people talked trades.)
TLDR: It is okay to be cautiously optimistic instead the wettest blanket in the conversation.
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12-18-2025, 11:11 AM
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#16460
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
And as someone said it's possible for all three to be right.
His contact knows of interest, thinks there was an offer, but maybe the offer wasn't communicated yet or something.
Good to see chatter ... should get this moving.
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Unless Royle and Sec are getting their info directly from Conroy, it's possible the Sharks reached out but that information hasn't filtered down to their contacts yet. Oilfan's post said they just put in the offer yesterday.
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