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Old 12-17-2025, 12:29 PM   #16301
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What do the flames have that would entice the Kings to deal with them?

Kopitar retiring so subtracting from their C depth even further seems unlikely unless they’re bringing in a C to replace Byfield. Philip Danault’s status further complicates things from their end.

Not saying I would do this but if I were LA and I was serious about moving Byfield, I’d be talking to the Canucks about Pettersen. Probably other pieces involved to offset salary and create more balance but I think the Kings are in a weird spot. Not good enough to compete and not bad enough to rebuild. They just made a big commitment to Kempe so I suspect they intend to stay competitive.
I wonder if they do a reverse Dubois trade where they take volume for Byfield. Have no idea if Kadri would go there but a Kadri, Zary and sharangoich for Byfield and maybe a pick.
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Old 12-17-2025, 12:37 PM   #16302
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Byfield wouldn't be cheap. Even if he hasn't broken out yet he's still a 50-60 pts player and only 23. The pieces it would take to land him are starting with Calgary 1st, Coronato, Parekh. Highly doubt LA wants multiple average assets in return. Trade doesn't make sense
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Old 12-17-2025, 12:38 PM   #16303
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Does Rasmus get the 2 1st equivalent? Cowan +28 1st would be a fairly sizable return for a rental.
One thing that keeps getting forgotten is that there is no way to value a trade as a "pure rental".

Trading Andersson now *might* be a rental, but you are also trading the negotiation rights to the new team. They might trade those negotiation rights to another team or they might extend Andersson themselves. Either way, there is more value to be had than simply playing out the one season and a good GM should extract that value instead of throwing their hands in the air and saying "oh, well, he'll probably go UFA".

Now that trades cannot include conditions around signing extensions you should really demand more under the assumption that an extension will happen and it is up to the other GM to make it so.
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Old 12-17-2025, 12:39 PM   #16304
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Byfield wouldn't be cheap. Even if he hasn't broken out yet he's still a 50-60 pts player and only 23. The pieces it would take to land him are starting with Calgary 1st, Coronato, Parekh. Highly doubt LA wants multiple average assets in return. Trade doesn't make sense
There is almost no chance a team will give LA a top 5 pick plus two elite prospects for Byfield. If Quinn Hughes is not worth that much I doubt that Byfield is.
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Byfield wouldn't be cheap. Even if he hasn't broken out yet he's still a 50-60 pts player and only 23. The pieces it would take to land him are starting with Calgary 1st, Coronato, Parekh. Highly doubt LA wants multiple average assets in return. Trade doesn't make sense
I agree that the trade proposed was bad, but I doubt it take that much to get him either.

I could see Kadri to LA being something LA is interested in. Byfield is just not producing much and Kadri is much better. LA is a win now team that isn't that good.

Kadri, Cooley and Vegas 1st

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Byfield and Forsberg
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Byfield wouldn't be cheap. Even if he hasn't broken out yet he's still a 50-60 pts player and only 23. The pieces it would take to land him are starting with Calgary 1st, Coronato, Parekh. Highly doubt LA wants multiple average assets in return. Trade doesn't make sense
What a delusional offer. Do you even follow the NHL?
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What a delusional offer. Do you even follow the NHL?
Yeah, that is almost the same value Minnesota gave up for Hughes, the only difference being an Ohgren level prospect, but our 1st rounder would be much higher.
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Yeah, that is almost the same value Minnesota gave up for Hughes, the only difference being an Ohgren level prospect, but our 1st rounder would be much higher.
Calgary 1st value is significantly higher than Ohgren+Minny 1st. Agreed Coronato+Parekh and Rossi+Buium value being pretty close.
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I've been high on Byfield for a long time, but I'm even starting to lose faith. The physical attributes are all there, but I wonder if he just lacks the hockey sense.

Not sure how much I would pay for him.
For me Byfield just isn't a center that is a high-end playmaker that makes his linemates better. He isn't someone that can run a PP.

He isn't a goal scorer either. I think he can play his way into a high-end energy player. But I just don't see 1st line center. I think LA is starting to see that too. He's a big part of why they haven't flipped the switch to an elite team. Few other busts too but they are coming up way short with their rebuild.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:00 PM   #16310
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Yeah, that is almost the same value Minnesota gave up for Hughes, the only difference being an Ohgren level prospect, but our 1st rounder would be much higher.
If LA called Minnesota and offered Byfield for Hughes, Guerin would laugh in their face. Hughes is a top 2 dman in the whole league. Arguably a top 15-20 value across all positions
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:01 PM   #16311
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I agree that the trade proposed was bad, but I doubt it take that much to get him either.

I could see Kadri to LA being something LA is interested in. Byfield is just not producing much and Kadri is much better. LA is a win now team that isn't that good.

Kadri, Cooley and Vegas 1st

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Byfield and Forsberg
Trading a 23 year old for a 35 year old, would be incredibly bad asset management. Byfield is also 3rd on LA in scoring. The whole team is suffering.

The Kings are old. 2nd oldest team in the NHL:

https://www.eliteprospects.com/leagu...physical-stats

They are a bubble team. Trying to get better by making the team older seems like a bad idea.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:01 PM   #16312
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Coronato + Vegas 1st would be steep but I might do that for Byfield.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:10 PM   #16313
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I wonder if they do a reverse Dubois trade where they take volume for Byfield. Have no idea if Kadri would go there but a Kadri, Zary and sharangoich for Byfield and maybe a pick.
I think that further exemplifies the Kings issues at C. 2 years ago the looked like they were locked in with Kopitar-Dubois-Danualt/Byfield. In less than a year from now all that, essentially, will have evaporated.

There’s no contingency after Byfield. Turcotte, maybe? This is LA’s version of Sam Bennett. I remember Jeff Marek saying ahead of his draft that Lafrieniere and maybe Stutzle were the better players right now there were scouts that thought Byfield would be the best of the bunch, eventually.

I just don’t see LA giving up on Byfield unless there’s a commensurate age/talent upside coming back. Kadri’s too old, frankly. Kadri improves them now but not to the point where they would be considered a threat to go deep in the playoffs, I don’t think. And Byfield could explode elsewhere and be a valuable asset for another decade for another team. That’s a near career killer for a GM.

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Old 12-17-2025, 01:17 PM   #16314
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Trading a 23 year old for a 35 year old, would be incredibly bad asset management. Byfield is also 3rd on LA in scoring. The whole team is suffering.

The Kings are old. 2nd oldest team in the NHL:

https://www.eliteprospects.com/leagu...physical-stats

They are a bubble team. Trying to get better by making the team older seems like a bad idea.
Depends how the GM sees it. Are they rebuilding or going for it until the "old" core falls apart? Seems to me like they aren't rebuilding.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:24 PM   #16315
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Oh I'm sure the Kings would want more. All's I'm saying is, if the Flames wanted Byfield and they had to include the Vegas 1st, I'm okay with that. I'll throw a hypothetical out there,

Zary, VGK 1st and Mews for Byfield.
If that's all it took for Byfield, this trade would have been done. I don't think Byfield will be a franchise centre, but he'll be a solid 2nd line one. Zary right now might not even be a consistent top 6 winger.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:25 PM   #16316
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Depends how the GM sees it. Are they rebuilding or going for it until the "old" core falls apart? Seems to me like they aren't rebuilding.
And they would get a 1st. If they don't move forward, Kadri can be traded for a quality return of picks as well.

At what point is Byfield a good 60-point 2nd line center that does not show up in the playoffs.

I don't agree with this approach, but they just don't seem to be looking to rebuild.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:28 PM   #16317
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If that's all it took for Byfield, this trade would have been done. I don't think Byfield will be a franchise centre, but he'll be a solid 2nd line one. Zary right now might not even be a consistent top 6 winger.
Byfield gets 20 mins a night, Zary gets 13. Zary has come around of late since moving off the 4th line. Byfield gets all the ice needed to succeed.

There was talk about picking up Yurov who hasn't been great in Minnesota. Minnesota trades Rossi and Yurov has a big night.

It's early, but moving Rossi opens a door for Yurov. Flames need to learn this as Zary is better than he has played so far.
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Old 12-17-2025, 01:37 PM   #16318
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You have to think what other teams would offer up and beat that.

There would be significant interest.
He might not be worth as much as Hughes but he probably snags a bluechip + 1st.

For example I bet the Habs would pony up and give Hage + 1st for him.

Whatever the deal is, it would hurt.

Think Reschny + 1st or Coronato + 1st.
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Who wants to give up assets for a guy who can't chip a puck past Bouchard?
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