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Old 12-08-2025, 03:15 PM   #15061
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That's furthering a rebuild that is already happening.
For someone who often posts about how other posters shouldn't repeat themselves, you sure dogmatically bring up this exact point basically every time you are able to.
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:17 PM   #15062
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For someone who often posts about how other posters shouldn't repeat themselves, you sure dogmatically bring up this exact point basically every time you are able to.
You bet!

I gave up and joined them.

I can hammer everyone with daily positivity too!

(minor point of reference though ... I'm responding to someone clearly not thinking this is a rebuild. Not just commenting out of the blue in a PGT after a win every game)
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:22 PM   #15063
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The league is crazy this year. Calgary has been awful this year and is only 5 points of out the playoffs.

We are a solid month of December away from being right there again. Goes back to what posters are saying that wolf won’t let us bottom out for that good first round draft choice.

I’m in the trade the 3 camp as well, but if Calgary somehow claws their way back into this they won’t be trading 2/3 of them this year. We play the sabers tonight who are straight dog water, and with that could be 3 points out. And I know there’s lots of teams ahead of us to jump, but honestly the schedule is pretty decent here this month to rack up some points

Classic flames. Pick a lane and the team goes ahead and ####s it up
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For someone who often posts about how other posters shouldn't repeat themselves, you sure dogmatically bring up this exact point basically every time you are able to.
When the same posters keep saying the opposite despite mountains of evidence he has to
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:33 PM   #15065
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I don’t get it. The players are going to play as well as they can. That’s just simple far
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:39 PM   #15066
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Also, for the 'tank' crowd, how do you expect us to get full value in trades from the big three, if they don't play out of their minds? A huge side effect of these three playing at their max potential means we win more games. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:45 PM   #15067
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Also, for the 'tank' crowd, how do you expect us to get full value in trades from the big three, if they don't play out of their minds? A huge side effect of these three playing at their max potential means we win more games. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
not to mention all the other long term Flames...the idea that Wolf, Zary, Coronato, ect. can just totally suck for a few years and then be awesome when we need them to again isn't realistic. We need to see signs of life from all these guys.
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:46 PM   #15068
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I think that is exactly why many posters want the trades to happen sooner rather than later.

There is a fine line of waiting for the right deal but also capitalizing on a top three draft pick.

Which would you prefer?

Ras for Player A, 1st round pick and a shot at one of the top three this season.

or

Ras for Player A+, 1st round pick. And then draft 10th overall this year.

Both scenarios still result in missing the playoffs and arguably playing some of the most boring hockey we have seen in decades.

Personally, I would say taking a bit less for the guys we are moving out and ensuring we get to draft a franchise altering player in the top three spots makes sense.
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:47 PM   #15069
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The whole discourse over are they rebuilding or not is how they might be going about doing it. No one is saying they are not in transition. It is just more around the thought they got off to a historically bad start to their season so will they lean into the bad year and sell off more vets than they planned in order to stay at the bottom of the standings vs trying to compete while they sell off pending free agents and continue to leave room for younger players to make the team. There is absolutely a different direction under Conroy vs Treliving where younger players are getting more of a chance and pending free agents are being turned into picks and prospects.


The article on SN today about the Flames and Canucks being at the bottom with the Preda. That article points out the Preds and Canucks have told the rest of the league they are open for business but the Flames have not.

Do the Flames lean into the bad year and trade their 34-35 year old veterans or does their 2-9-2 start that is slowly being erased by a 9-6-2 run lead them out of the top 5 picks to somewhere in the 6-16 range?

I am looking forward to finding out
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:51 PM   #15070
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The whole discourse over are they rebuilding or not is how they might be going about doing it. No one is saying they are not in transition. It is just more around the thought they got off to a historically bad start to their season so will they lean into the bad year and sell off more vets than they planned in order to stay at the bottom of the standings vs trying to compete while they sell off pending free agents and continue to leave room for younger players to make the team. There is absolutely a different direction under Conroy vs Treliving where younger players are getting more of a chance and pending free agents are being turned into picks and prospects.


The article on SN today about the Flames and Canucks being at the bottom with the Preda. That article points out the Preds and Canucks have told the rest of the league they are open for business but the Flames have not.

Do the Flames lean into the bad year and trade their 34-35 year old veterans or does their 2-9-2 start that is slowly being erased by a 9-6-2 run lead them out of the top 5 picks to somewhere in the 6-16 range?

I am looking forward to finding out
Not directed at you but I am so sick of this crap lol...what trades have those teams made? Its totally irrelevant...teams know Ras is available they had him traded in the summer FFS but he wouldn't sign the extension. Nashville and Vancouver just look desperate to make a move and will do something stupid as usual. Vancouver traded a first like 7 months ago and are now last overall.
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Old 12-08-2025, 03:56 PM   #15071
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I think that is exactly why many posters want the trades to happen sooner rather than later.

There is a fine line of waiting for the right deal but also capitalizing on a top three draft pick.

Which would you prefer?

Ras for Player A, 1st round pick and a shot at one of the top three this season.

or

Ras for Player A+, 1st round pick. And then draft 10th overall this year.

Both scenarios still result in missing the playoffs and arguably playing some of the most boring hockey we have seen in decades.

Personally, I would say taking a bit less for the guys we are moving out and ensuring we get to draft a franchise altering player in the top three spots makes sense.
I think the "+" is the key clearly.

Is it a 3rd round pick?
Is it much more?
Is even the option without the "+" even available at the moment?

A parity locked league may not have the suitors ready to buy.

Can't we assume that when offers do actually come in that the Flames brass has a balance in mind between holding the line, and the value to the 1st round pick this year by trading the player and letting the team slide?

Seems like a stretch to me to assume they haven't analyzed the difference between the two.

My guess is they have likely lowered their internal ask factoring in exactly that.
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The article on SN today about the Flames and Canucks being at the bottom with the Preda. That article points out the Preds and Canucks have told the rest of the league they are open for business but the Flames have not.
Then the Nucks media came out with they want hockey trades and the Preds have a ridiculous ask on ROR. Complain when a trade actually happens
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Then the Nucks media came out with they want hockey trades and the Preds have a ridiculous ask on ROR. Complain when a trade actually happens
And it's also been reported that even though ROR doesn't have trade protection, the Preds will work with him on his preferred destinations.
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Preds have also been terrible for 2 years now despite spending millions with term on old UFAs after a first round loss. Oh they also traded a young star goalie.

something about greener grass
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Old 12-08-2025, 04:22 PM   #15075
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Can't have your cake and eat it too.
I have always found this saying just dumb. Who the F wants a cake if you can't eat it? It's been my experience that almost everybody who has their cake eats it as well.
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Old 12-08-2025, 04:24 PM   #15076
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Then the Nucks media came out with they want hockey trades and the Preds have a ridiculous ask on ROR. Complain when a trade actually happens
Its unbelievable how after all the trades the flames have made over the past 2 years that so many say that they "aren't rebuilding" or "open for business".
Just look at what they are doing and it should be obvious
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Then the Nucks media came out with they want hockey trades and the Preds have a ridiculous ask on ROR. Complain when a trade actually happens
Not complaining just pointing out what was written in an article from the national media.

I am hopeful the Flames do more than trade Andersson this year. Since the lockout Bouwmeester and Markstrom have been the only 2 players the flames moved for a futures based return who were not in the last year of their contract. I am hoping they will do something they haven’t done very often over the years this season.
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Old 12-08-2025, 04:31 PM   #15078
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I have always found this saying just dumb. Who the F wants a cake if you can't eat it? It's been my experience that almost everybody who has their cake eats it as well.
It makes more sense if you reverse it. The idea is you can't eat your cake now and have it for later.
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Not complaining just pointing out what was written in an article from the national media.

I am hopeful the Flames do more than trade Andersson this year. Since the lockout Bouwmeester and Markstrom have been the only 2 players the flames moved for a futures based return who were not in the last year of their contract. I am hoping they will do something they haven’t done very often over the years this season.
People keep bringing this line of thinking up as though it’s notable, so trading players with term for futures must be fairly common. Can I see where these types of trades are able to be isolated so I can see how often it occurs for other teams?
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Old 12-08-2025, 04:53 PM   #15080
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I have always found this saying just dumb. Who the F wants a cake if you can't eat it? It's been my experience that almost everybody who has their cake eats it as well.
I never thought of it like that...

"Wait... I thought you just wanted the cake, but now you're telling me you want to eat it too?!"
"I mean... I wasn't planning on hanging it on the wall, if that's what you're asking..."
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