12-07-2025, 09:15 PM
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#14981
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Originally Posted by Groot
Conroy wants to see some heads in the fanbase literally explode so he's trading Brz and re-signing Ras to 9.5x8.
Jokes aside, as much as I wouldn't want to let go of Brz, we have a fair number of defensive prospects, and if packaging Brz with one of Andersson, Coleman or Kadri drastically increased the return, especially if it was for a stud young prospect and a 1st at a minimum, I would be alright with packaging him.
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I agree. If it returned a stud young prospect. Brz is a solid prospect that has been developing well. Seems like he’s still on track to develop into a solid 2nd pairing defenceman at the NHL level. Obviously he has a long way to go but to trade him at this point would have to return a prospect of higher value. Couldn’t just be a case of a pick being a 2nd instead of a 3rd.
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12-07-2025, 09:18 PM
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#14982
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I wouldn't accept that. I don't think Engstrom is anything but future AHL depth. Kapanen is an ok piece, RS centre but I see him as a 2nd line C at best if he hits the best case. I would rather do Hage straight up for Kadri then those pieces. They can even add a cap dump. I also think Hage is a future #1C though.
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I think it's unrealistic to think Kadri would get Hage, Kapanen is a young 22 RS center with size, grit, decent puck skills and wicked shot, Engstrom just turns 22 and needs to get stronger but from all accounts could be a good 3/4 Dman, with an added 1st I would take that package for a 35 year old all day.
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12-07-2025, 09:20 PM
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#14983
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Dach is a soon to be 25 year old RFA who is a 30 point a year center, that would be a pretty bad package for Ras the way he is playing. Suspect Beck tops out as a 3rd line center and a 1st. I would hope there are better offers than that for Ras.
I guess Dach is a warm body that can play some NHL games when he is not injured so there is that.
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Under 25 RHS center. All boxes ticked on Conroy's xmas list. Beck, a younger RHS C, and a 1st .
That's a pretty solid package for Andersson IMO. You get serviceable games played with Dach while you're developing the kids, Beck turns into anything and you get serviceable games played that's a bonus. The most important piece is the 1st round pick. Doesn't matter what prospect they get it's a gamble.
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12-07-2025, 09:27 PM
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#14984
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Assets going out need to be traded for d-men or picks, not forwards. Get your forwards from high in the draft
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12-07-2025, 09:31 PM
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#14985
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I LOVE Brzustewicz, but there are few assets in the organization I wouldn't be willing to part with if it brought us the right draft picks, or futures.
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12-07-2025, 09:36 PM
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#14986
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Under 25 RHS center. All boxes ticked on Conroy's xmas list. Beck, a younger RHS C, and a 1st .
That's a pretty solid package for Andersson IMO. You get serviceable games played with Dach while you're developing the kids, Beck turns into anything and you get serviceable games played that's a bonus. The most important piece is the 1st round pick. Doesn't matter what prospect they get it's a gamble.
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Beats the VGK offer of Hague and a first by a country mile, if that’s indeed what it ends up being.
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12-07-2025, 09:52 PM
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#14987
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Groot
Conroy wants to see some heads in the fanbase literally explode so he's trading Brz and re-signing Ras to 9.5x8.
Jokes aside, as much as I wouldn't want to let go of Brz, we have a fair number of defensive prospects, and if packaging Brz with one of Andersson, Coleman or Kadri drastically increased the return, especially if it was for a stud young prospect and a 1st at a minimum, I would be alright with packaging him.
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That would need to be one amazing asset coming back to get a package including one of Andersson, Coleman, or Kadri AND Brzustewicz.
I have my doubts that the Canadiens could pull that off. As much hype as there is around Hage, is he really that much better than C.Ritchie? They went in similar draft positions and the Avs gave up Ritchie + 1st for Nelson (and Kadri is arguably still better than Nelson).
If Hage is a bit better than Ritchie then that would make the trade closer to 1:1, definitely not the Flames adding one of our top D prospects.
Does not compute.
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12-07-2025, 10:06 PM
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#14988
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
That would need to be one amazing asset coming back to get a package including one of Andersson, Coleman, or Kadri AND Brzustewicz.
I have my doubts that the Canadiens could pull that off. As much hype as there is around Hage, is he really that much better than C.Ritchie? They went in similar draft positions and the Avs gave up Ritchie + 1st for Nelson (and Kadri is arguably still better than Nelson).
If Hage is a bit better than Ritchie then that would make the trade closer to 1:1, definitely not the Flames adding one of our top D prospects.
Does not compute.
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I never said Hage or the Canadiens, nor just packaging him with Kadri for such a trade.
All I said was Id be fine if they packaged Brz with 1 of the 3, if it returned a stud young C prospect and a 1st at a minimum.
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12-07-2025, 10:17 PM
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#14989
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
That would need to be one amazing asset coming back to get a package including one of Andersson, Coleman, or Kadri AND Brzustewicz.
I have my doubts that the Canadiens could pull that off. As much hype as there is around Hage, is he really that much better than C.Ritchie? They went in similar draft positions and the Avs gave up Ritchie + 1st for Nelson (and Kadri is arguably still better than Nelson).
If Hage is a bit better than Ritchie then that would make the trade closer to 1:1, definitely not the Flames adding one of our top D prospects.
Does not compute.
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The reports that our Flames chief scout is spending alot of time in Montreal suggests he is watching someone who is playing alot. Kapanen?
Sounds like Kapanen is playing very well and might be a future 2C. Do they really need Kadri then?
Do agree that Hage would seem untouchable as a future 2C. Big numbers this year in NCAA to complement his Big 10 rookie of year last year. But maybe Kapanen makes him somewhat redundant?
Hage would be the perfect player to target though as a right shot C and would explain a Brz sweetener with Ras or Kadri.
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12-07-2025, 10:23 PM
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#14990
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Groot
I never said Hage or the Canadiens, nor just packaging him with Kadri for such a trade.
All I said was Id be fine if they packaged Brz with 1 of the 3, if it returned a stud young C prospect and a 1st at a minimum.
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All good.
Just running through it... I cannot think of a team that would trade for Andersson + Brzustewicz. There are a few with bad RD depth but to want both of those guys a team would have to have like, zero good RD, and some amazing Cs to send back. San Jose is the only team that I can think of with a terrible RD depth and a gluttony of high-end C.
Kadri + Brzustewicz makes sense if we are getting a stud C prospect back. But I can't think of a team that needs Kadri and has a young C to send back. Canadiens is about it but everyone insists Hage isn't available and I wouldn't send that package for Hage anyway.
Coleman + Brzustewicz could work to really push in on getting a good return... I haven't a clue as to who is interested in Coleman and my feel is that GMCC would work on trading Andersson and Kadri first with Coleman being a distant secondary priority.
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12-07-2025, 10:32 PM
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#14991
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
All good.
Just running through it... I cannot think of a team that would trade for Andersson + Brzustewicz. There are a few with bad RD depth but to want both of those guys a team would have to have like, zero good RD, and some amazing Cs to send back. San Jose is the only team that I can think of with a terrible RD depth and a gluttony of high-end C.
Kadri + Brzustewicz makes sense if we are getting a stud C prospect back. But I can't think of a team that needs Kadri and has a young C to send back. Canadiens is about it but everyone insists Hage isn't available and I wouldn't send that package for Hage anyway.
Coleman + Brzustewicz could work to really push in on getting a good return... I haven't a clue as to who is interested in Coleman and my feel is that GMCC would work on trading Andersson and Kadri first with Coleman being a distant secondary priority.
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Like you said, if Hage is not available then I don’t think Montreal makes sense. But, if Hage was available then a trade like this might work for both sides:
To Montreal:
Kadri (20% retained)
Brzustewicz
To Calgary:
2026 1st round pick (top 5 protected)
Hage
Montreal gets the best current player in the deal and potentially a defenceman who could develop into just as valuable of a piece as what Hage is likely to be (i.e. top 4 defenceman value = 2nd line center value). Montreal likely takes the biggest risk here though as Hage could end up a #1 center in the NHL and who knows what the pick could end up being. Even if this trade were possible, I doubt Montreal does it before the world juniors. That tournament is a good chance for prospects to increase their value if they have a good showing at the tournament. Imagine making this trade and Hage ends up being Canada’s MVP at the world juniors, Conroy would look like a genius.
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12-07-2025, 11:17 PM
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#14992
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary
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Ras and Brz to LA.
The Brzustewicz brothers unite and LA has a few months help Ras change his mind about staying long term..
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12-07-2025, 11:21 PM
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#14993
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
All good.
Just running through it... I cannot think of a team that would trade for Andersson + Brzustewicz. There are a few with bad RD depth but to want both of those guys a team would have to have like, zero good RD, and some amazing Cs to send back. San Jose is the only team that I can think of with a terrible RD depth and a gluttony of high-end C.
Kadri + Brzustewicz makes sense if we are getting a stud C prospect back. But I can't think of a team that needs Kadri and has a young C to send back. Canadiens is about it but everyone insists Hage isn't available and I wouldn't send that package for Hage anyway.
Coleman + Brzustewicz could work to really push in on getting a good return... I haven't a clue as to who is interested in Coleman and my feel is that GMCC would work on trading Andersson and Kadri first with Coleman being a distant secondary priority.
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Now you're talking. If we are going to talk in division.
Ras and Bruz for Roger McQueen and Stian Solberg out of Anaheim.
They are actually contending somehow, and that would really solidify their defense. Solberg is a hit first LD, 2024 1st rounder.
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12-07-2025, 11:38 PM
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#14994
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Eklund was right.
Going to Toronto for a big bag of pucks and salary cap. Dion 2.0
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