Quit on the team? He looked like a guy struggling to fit in on a new team after just winning the cup after a very grueling and physical playoff run, especially for him. I doubt he was in tip top shape after that summer. Once he got situated and comfortable he looked fine
Kadri started the 2022-23 season with the Flames with 4 goals, 9 points in the first 6 games. Through the first 12 games he had 7 goals, and 12 points. It wasn't a case of struggling to fit in.
What I reference as him quitting on the team was the effort against CHI when the Flames were 2 points behind WPG for the last Wildcard spot in the West, after winning 4 in a row with 5 games remaining.
You can watch Kadri on the 2nd and 3rd Blackhawks goals, when the season was on the line, against the last place team.
It doesn't really matter. Overall I've been very happy with Kadri here. I thought he was the best forward for the Flames over the last couple of years, and more than outperformed his contract. That said, saying it was all roses is also a bit of a revisionist history.
Does the way the Flames handle Kadri effect other players under the same agent? other players from other agents?
Does their chance of signing the next piece they want to sign diminish because they took a guy that signed a 7 year deal and followed his contract to the letter of the law and took the personal part out of it?
A lot of this has to do with how desirable the location is in the first place. I think the answers to all of these questions are different for different teams. Las Vegas has shown to not really give a damn about the feelings of their players when making roster decisions, and to this point they seem to have not been too negatively affected by it. I think that is because it a desirable location to play in for a multitude of reasons.
The Flames, Oilers, Jets,or Sabres don't get the same leeway. Probably never will. This could change for the Knights too I suppose if the winning seasons stop.
The smaller less desirable locations are probably best served if they have a history of being a player friendly destination. Could be seen as a benefit that helps them to overcome player concerns that might exist about the weather, taxes, facilities etc.
I seem to recall reading Mercer+Nemec+1st to VCR for Hughes.
Would VCR like to add a cap dump? Does NJ need to add a prospect?
Is there enough ice for Dougie and the Hughes bros?
I would think Mercer and Nemec would be pretty close by themselves. I would call that a good hockey trade. But, I'm not as huge a Hughes fan as most. I concede he's a great player, just not as great as most think.
Kadri started the 2022-23 season with the Flames with 4 goals, 9 points in the first 6 games. Through the first 12 games he had 7 goals, and 12 points. It wasn't a case of struggling to fit in.
What I reference as him quitting on the team was the effort against CHI when the Flames were 2 points behind WPG for the last Wildcard spot in the West, after winning 4 in a row with 5 games remaining.
You can watch Kadri on the 2nd and 3rd Blackhawks goals, when the season was on the line, against the last place team.
It doesn't really matter. Overall I've been very happy with Kadri here. I thought he was the best forward for the Flames over the last couple of years, and more than outperformed his contract. That said, saying it was all roses is also a bit of a revisionist history.
If you have Close-captioned turned on, at 6:00 of that video, Hrudey calls Ball "Little Hitler Rick". No wonder he left for Chicago!
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"9 out of 10 concerns are completely unfounded."
"The first thing that goes when you lose your hands, are your fine motor skills."
Kadri definitely had some "controller off" moments in that first year and games that left alot to be desired effort wise.
It wasn't a fun year for the players and it was obvious.
I still would be interested in an Utah trade. They seem to have pressure to be more exciting. Rasmus or Coleman there would be interesting
I don't think they're a playoff team yet. I doubt they are buyers unless they actually get back into a playoff position. .518 point % isn't going to do it.
I don't think they're a playoff team yet. I doubt they are buyers unless they actually get back into a playoff position. .518 point % isn't going to do it.
I doubt they sit tight and don’t do anything. They have already made trades where they moved out prospects and futures for older players (Marino, Sergachev, Durzi, Maatta). Suspect they continue to trade picks and prospects to improve their team.
If I was then I would be looking at a guy like Coleman to see if you can turn Hayton into something useful like a solid 3rd line center.
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Kadri did look like he quit on the team. I hated him.
However, Was it an issue with Sutter? If so.. I don't care because he still quit on the team, full-stop.
However, was it an injury he was trying to play through? Gets an A from me. Maybe he simply ran out of gas after winning the cup in Colorado and he simply had absolutely nothing left? Well, that's still hero marks for showing up, right?
I don't think anyone really KNOWS. People here think they know, and they certainly like to speculate, but nobody knows why Kadri looked like he quit on the team in that first season. That's fine. Even if he did quit, well, he certainly hasn't since that season, right? So worst case scenario he simply decided not to play hard for reasons, he seemed to rectify that from then on. So who cares any longer?
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I think holding yourself to this level of accountability is unnecessary, personally.
Yes, the Flames are an undesirable market. The new building will help with that.
No, they shouldn't act like jerks and treat their employees terribly when they part ways.
But at the end of the day, if I'm considering the Flames as a free agent and a former player is badmouthing the team for operating within their rights (i.e. trading to a team not on a NTC), I'd be skeptical of the source. As long as it's not done in a hostile fashion, go and do what makes best business sense.
The Flames already operate at enough of a disadvantage in other areas. Best to not handcuff what you can do on the trade market to protect a perceived fragile reputation.
It’s not a “perceived fragile reputation,” it’s the realities of the market.
I find this whole conversation kind of odd. There are different ways to run a business, and outside of those who run terrible businesses, I think we all have enough personal experience in the business world to acknowledge that how people do business matters, and those who treat people well have an advantage, while people who operate however they want and disregard the human side of things just because it’s their right to do so rarely attract anything positive.
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