12-01-2025, 11:54 AM
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#14501
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I think injury history was a big part of it, the same reason why we all cringed leading up to the TDL every time he took a hit. Conroy probably could have waiting a week to see if he could get more, but I can see why he didn't.
Same thing with Zadorov. Not injury related, but I think Conroy took less in order to get the trade done sooner. There was too much noise around him, so he wanted to get it done sooner but sacrificed potential return by not waiting until there were more buyers ready.
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Which is what a lot of fans seem to want now.
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12-01-2025, 12:09 PM
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#14502
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon
Verhoeff: 10 points in 14 games (0.71 ppg)
Buium: 50 points in 42 games (1.19 ppg)
Levshunov: 35 points in 38 games (0.92 ppg)
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Thanks, thought I had read that somewhere (that he was the best) so I got that one wrong. So he is like 3rd and I think Mckenna is something like 15th or something for PPG for draft year eligible forwards. Two pretty good prospects, with McKenna being more of a James Hagens type on the forward side. Not sure what the comparable is for Verhoeff. Verhoeff doing it at the age of 17 for the entire year is impressive either way, now that McKenna is turning 18 in a couple weeks have to see if he cranks it up in the second half.
Last edited by Aarongavey; 12-01-2025 at 12:12 PM.
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12-01-2025, 12:35 PM
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#14503
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Franchise Player
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Keep in mind that Buium and Levshunov were both late 2005 birthdays, and both quite a bit older than Verhoeff was
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12-01-2025, 12:39 PM
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#14504
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mile
Keep in mind that Buium and Levshunov were both late 2005 birthdays, and both quite a bit older than Verhoeff was
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Yep, this needs to be factored in. Both Buium and Levshunov were easy top 10 picks because of how well they were playing in the NCAA at the age of 18, almost 19. Verhoeff is doing what he's doing at the age of 17 and is a June birthday.
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12-01-2025, 12:49 PM
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#14505
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Yup, those were stats that I posted a few days ago.
For U-18 Defensemen in the NCAA, Verhoeff ranks 12th in ppg (0.71) all-time.
Since 1990, Verhoeff is now tied for 1st for U-18 Defensemen in the NCAA in ppg (0.71).
*Anything can happen between now and the end of the season to change this.
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12-01-2025, 12:52 PM
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#14506
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Tbull8
I still think Kadri to Winnipeg makes a ton of sense
Scheifele
Kadri as a 1-2 punch is pretty solid for the playoffs
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Kadri is probably the best #2 centre in the league. The only teams that wouldn't be getting a massive upgrade, might be teams with two #1 centres. Maybe Edmonton? Even then, they could use Kadri as your #2/3 centre. Kadri creates offence and elevates the play of whatever wingers are with him. He turns any line into automatic depth scoring.
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12-01-2025, 12:57 PM
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#14507
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Yup, those were stats that I posted a few days ago.
For U-18 Defensemen in the NCAA, Verhoeff ranks 12th in ppg (0.71) all-time.
Since 1990, Verhoeff is now tied for 1st for U-18 Defensemen in the NCAA in ppg (0.71).
*Anything can happen between now and the end of the season to change this.
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Ya I knew I got the best in a longtime (think I said 40 years, it is apparently 35 years) from a legitimate source.
Guess Monahammer does not have to worry about being force fed fake stats as much as before.
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12-01-2025, 12:58 PM
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#14508
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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For U-19 players in NCAA going back to the 1989-90 season, McKenna ranks 58th in ppg (1.13).
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12-01-2025, 01:03 PM
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#14509
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Ya I knew I got the best in a longtime (think I said 40 years, it is apparently 35 years) from a legitimate source.
Guess Monahammer does not have to worry about being force fed fake stats as much as before.
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Thanks Aarongavey- since I can't properly illustrate how good Verhoeff's season ranks until it's complete, I went for the next best thing, which is the projection in the form of ppg.
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12-01-2025, 01:05 PM
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#14510
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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I’ve not been as locked in as years past but Rasmus gotta be the best piece on the market this deadline? 18pts in 27, playing huge minutes, somehow a even +/- on a team that can’t score. Unless Quinn Hughes becomes available what other player is more valuable on the trade block? Hopefully Flames can get a monster return
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12-01-2025, 01:06 PM
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#14511
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Franchise Player
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Kadri has the most intriguing return potential. I didn’t think Nelson would return as well as he did
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12-01-2025, 01:11 PM
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#14512
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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For U-19 Defensemen in the NCAA since the 1989-90 season, Verhoeff ranks 26th all-time in ppg (.71).
This compares him to Levshunov (0.92) and Buium's (1.19) age bracket.
Still extremely impressive for a player who doesn't turn 18 until June 19th.
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12-01-2025, 01:15 PM
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#14513
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Kadri has the most intriguing return potential. I didn’t think Nelson would return as well as he did
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I would take Kadri over Nelson in a playoff run, and didn't Nelson still need to be signed in the off-season?
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12-01-2025, 01:20 PM
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#14514
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beninho
I’ve not been as locked in as years past but Rasmus gotta be the best piece on the market this deadline? 18pts in 27, playing huge minutes, somehow a even +/- on a team that can’t score. Unless Quinn Hughes becomes available what other player is more valuable on the trade block? Hopefully Flames can get a monster return
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True, and it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Hughes is going to NJ...
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12-01-2025, 01:46 PM
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#14515
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Franchise Player
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Kadri and Andersson are easily commanding a 1st++
Coleman under the right circumstances/team could fetch a 1st
Flames could come out with 3 more firsts in this years draft, which sounds like something they're very interested in.
2 picks in the top 10? Yes please.
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12-01-2025, 01:49 PM
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#14516
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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A bunch of 1st and 2nds would be nice, but at the end of the day, the Flames still primarily need multiple picks at the very top of the draft.
Of course, trading these guys away would help accomplish both.
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12-01-2025, 02:00 PM
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#14517
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royle9
Kadri and Andersson are easily commanding a 1st++
Coleman under the right circumstances/team could fetch a 1st
Flames could come out with 3 more firsts in this years draft, which sounds like something they're very interested in.
2 picks in the top 10? Yes please.
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2 picks in the top 10? 100%.
Not sure how realistic that is though. Only path to that that comes to mind is if there’s a deal to be had wooing Boston for Toronto’s pick. It is topn5 prospected, so it would be 6-10.
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12-01-2025, 02:03 PM
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#14518
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan
2 picks in the top 10? 100%.
Not sure how realistic that is though. Only path to that that comes to mind is if there’s a deal to be had wooing Boston for Toronto’s pick. It is topn5 prospected, so it would be 6-10.
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I was more so thinking they could use any number of their hypothetical 4 other 1st's to trade into another top 10 pick.
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12-01-2025, 02:09 PM
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#14519
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Royle9
I was more so thinking they could use any number of their hypothetical 4 other 1st's to trade into another top 10 pick.
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Who realistically would trade out of the top 10? Maybe Buffalo
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12-01-2025, 02:11 PM
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#14520
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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I’d say the Frost/Farabee trade could turn out quite well as well. Although Pelletier is leading the AHL in scoring.
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