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Old 11-18-2025, 12:11 PM   #13041
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Coleman was 28 then, and still had more potential offensively. The Lightning were paying for a top 6 player in his prime. He still ended up on the 3rd line which was instrumental in the success and cups Tampa won.

That's kind of my point though. Is it good asset management for a playoff team to spend more than a 2nd for a 33 yearold to upgrade their 3rd line LW/RW position? At the same time, I doubt the Flames would be happy with only getting a 2nd back.
Coleman reached his offensive potential scoring 30+ and is pacing for a similar number this year. He proved to be a wise investment for the Lightning and is a more proven commodity now vs when he was traded for so that balances the age piece. I also do not think they will get a 1st + prospect drafted in the 1st like the Devils got but a 1st round pick could be in play
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Old 11-18-2025, 12:21 PM   #13042
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I think the “middle of the road” price for Coleman would be a conditional 2nd round pick + 3rd round pick. If the acquiring team reaches the conference final, the 2nd becomes a 1st round pick. Mitigates the risk for the acquiring team. The flames still get two decent picks from a position of strength even if the acquiring team doesn’t make the conference final. At best, the highest pick the flames get is this trade scenario is 28th overall.
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Old 11-18-2025, 12:26 PM   #13043
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Coleman was 28 then, and still had more potential offensively. The Lightning were paying for a top 6 player in his prime. He still ended up on the 3rd line which was instrumental in the success and cups Tampa won.

That's kind of my point though. Is it good asset management for a playoff team to spend more than a 2nd for a 33 yearold to upgrade their 3rd line LW/RW position? At the same time, I doubt the Flames would be happy with only getting a 2nd back.
The Lighnting, with Stamkos, Poimt, Kucherov, Killorn, Cirelli, Palat did not acquire Coleman to be a top 6 player. Doubt they even acquired him thinking he could be.
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Old 11-18-2025, 12:39 PM   #13044
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Coleman reached his offensive potential scoring 30+ and is pacing for a similar number this year. He proved to be a wise investment for the Lightning and is a more proven commodity now vs when he was traded for so that balances the age piece. I also do not think they will get a 1st + prospect drafted in the 1st like the Devils got but a 1st round pick could be in play
You're kind of cherry picking stats to fit your argument. Coleman is also on pace for 4 assists, and 33 points this season. At the same time he only had 15 goals and 39 points last year. A team wouldn't be trading for a 30 goal scorer in Coleman, but a 20 goal, 40-45 point player.

A 1st round pick could be in play. Laughton, a 3rd line C, got a 1st back last year. I'm just saying that it's harder to justify spending a 1st on a 3rd line winger. Especially since centers, and defensemen are a bigger need at the deadline. The Flames also paid 2nd + 3rd + 7th for Jarnkrok, so it could happen. I'm just trying to look at it from the other side.
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Old 11-18-2025, 12:40 PM   #13045
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The Lighnting, with Stamkos, Poimt, Kucherov, Killorn, Cirelli, Palat did not acquire Coleman to be a top 6 player. Doubt they even acquired him thinking he could be.
Yeah, people forget that most of these acquisitions are for depth. The extra scoring/defence you need for a deep run. And sometimes those guys end up playing a much bigger role.
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Old 11-18-2025, 12:45 PM   #13046
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Coleman was 28 then, and still had more potential offensively. The Lightning were paying for a top 6 player in his prime. He still ended up on the 3rd line which was instrumental in the success and cups Tampa won.

That's kind of my point though. Is it good asset management for a playoff team to spend more than a 2nd for a 33 yearold to upgrade their 3rd line LW/RW position? At the same time, I doubt the Flames would be happy with only getting a 2nd back.
If a team thinks they are a true contender, and wants to win a cup, I'd happily give up my pick in the 24-32 range for Blake Coleman.

Guy that can chip in offensively while also providing shutdown defense are invaluable come playoff time.

I honestly think if you're getting 2 playoff rounds of Blake Coleman it will be a 1st + just like it was before.

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The Lighnting, with Stamkos, Poimt, Kucherov, Killorn, Cirelli, Palat did not acquire Coleman to be a top 6 player. Doubt they even acquired him thinking he could be.
Yup they acquired Coleman and Goodrow to rebuild their third line.

And it worked because Coleman - Gourde - Goodrow were great for them that entire time
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If a team thinks they are a true contender, and wants to win a cup, I'd happily give up my pick in the 24-32 range for Blake Coleman.

Guy that can chip in offensively while also providing shutdown defense are invaluable come playoff time.

I honestly think if you're getting 2 playoff rounds of Blake Coleman it will be a 1st + just like it was before.



Yup they acquired Coleman and Goodrow to rebuild their third line.

And it worked because Coleman - Gourde - Goodrow were great for them that entire time
This is why the TDL is probably more of an opportune time to trade him - that's when teams will make that decision.
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My question is now, if we do pick first overall, is McKenna still the guy to go after? There is a tonne of buzz about Verhoff, just wondering if he continues and McKenna struggles a bit, is it still a clear cut #1 or do you go with the defenceman? I know our defence looks solid prospect wise, and we need a game changer up front. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?
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Old 11-18-2025, 01:28 PM   #13050
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Middle 6 winger trades for picks in the last 2 years:
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  • Brad Marchand - conditional 2nd, that turned into a 1st due to FLA making to the ECF
  • Reilly Smith - 3rd + Brisson
  • Gustav Nyquist - 2nd
  • Andrei Kuzmenko + 7th - 3rd
  • Kaapo Kakko - 3rd + 6th + Borgen

2024 Off-season
  • Reilly Smith - 2nd + 5th
  • Tanner Jeannot - 2nd + 4th
  • Andrew Mangiapane - 2nd

2024 TD
  • Jack Roslovic - 4th
  • Tyler Toffoli - 2nd + 3rd
  • Anthony Duclair + 7th - 3rd + Thompson
  • Vladimir Tarasenko - 3rd + 4th
  • Anthony Mantha - 2nd + 4th

Those trades don't exactly show GMs throwing 1sts at middle 6 wingers. A lot of those trades had retention as well. Now, you can argue that you get 2 years of Coleman, but I think that getting a 1st back would be pretty tough.

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My question is now, if we do pick first overall, is McKenna still the guy to go after? There is a tonne of buzz about Verhoff, just wondering if he continues and McKenna struggles a bit, is it still a clear cut #1 or do you go with the defenceman? I know our defence looks solid prospect wise, and we need a game changer up front. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?
I still take Mckenna. If they both turn into studs, cool, I still want the offensive guy over the position of "potential" strength. Can't go wrong imo
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Personally I cringe with all the McKenna talk. Just a 25% chance if you do finish last, and there is certainly no guarantee they'll be in that spot.

The season is lost. They're not going to make the playoffs.

So the first task is a top ten pick in my mind. The current 10th overall pick is in the .550 range in win percentage (usually .500), which is 90 points.

Flames need to go 38-22-2 .629 or a 103 point pace over 82 games to not pick in the top ten.

As time goes by move that to top five.
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Middle 6 winger trades for picks in the last 2 years:
2025 TD:
  • Brad Marchand - conditional 2nd, that turned into a 1st due to FLA making to the ECF
  • Reilly Smith - 3rd + Brisson
  • Gustav Nyquist - 2nd
  • Andrei Kuzmenko + 7th - 3rd
  • Kaapo Kakko - 3rd + 6th + Borgen

2024 Off-season
  • Reilly Smith - 2nd + 5th
  • Tanner Jeannot - 2nd + 4th
  • Andrew Mangiapane - 2nd

2024 TD
  • Jack Roslovic - 4th
  • Tyler Toffoli - 2nd + 3rd
  • Anthony Duclair + 7th - 3rd + Thompson
  • Vladimir Tarasenko - 3rd + 4th
  • Anthony Mantha - 2nd + 4th

Those trades don't exactly show GMs throwing 1sts at middle 6 wingers. A lot of those trades had retention as well. Now, you can argue that you get 2 years of Coleman, but I think that getting a 1st back would be pretty tough.
Yeah a 1st is a bit of a reach but I do see a world in which it happens.

Fully retained 2 years of Coleman, all it takes is one team really wanting him.


I'd be happy with a 2nd+ for him though.
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The Lighnting, with Stamkos, Poimt, Kucherov, Killorn, Cirelli, Palat did not acquire Coleman to be a top 6 player. Doubt they even acquired him thinking he could be.
This is true...he was top six in the playoffs in 5 on 5 ice time on their most recent cup run though. He was playing great and played more than expected. He got a lot of ice time when they had the lead.
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You take McKenna or Stenberg regardless of Verhoeff being there in my mind.
Forward talent is desperately needed more than RD. Parekh, Brz, Mews, Weegar. If Verhoeff was a LD I’d see maybe a bit more reason.
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Personally I cringe with all the McKenna talk. Just a 25% chance if you do finish last, and there is certainly no guarantee they'll be in that spot.

The season is lost. They're not going to make the playoffs.

So the first task is a top ten pick in my mind. The current 10th overall pick is in the .550 range in win percentage (usually .500), which is 90 points.

Flames need to go 38-22-2 .629 or a 103 point pace over 82 games to not pick in the top ten.

As time goes by move that to top five.
McKenna, Stenberg, Verhoeff all look like great picks - and I hope that's the tier we land in with a bias towards the forwards (I still very much feel they're the 3 that are in the tier we just barely missed out on in our Monahan/Bennett drafts).

If we land in 4 or 5? Still going to be happy to land Lawrence for sure.
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Old 11-18-2025, 02:25 PM   #13058
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Personally I cringe with all the McKenna talk. Just a 25% chance if you do finish last, and there is certainly no guarantee they'll be in that spot.

The season is lost. They're not going to make the playoffs.

So the first task is a top ten pick in my mind. The current 10th overall pick is in the .550 range in win percentage (usually .500), which is 90 points.

Flames need to go 38-22-2 .629 or a 103 point pace over 82 games to not pick in the top ten.

As time goes by move that to top five.
I agree with your point, but I think we're safe to talk top 5 now
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McKenna, Stenberg, Verhoeff all look like great picks - and I hope that's the tier we land in with a bias towards the forwards (I still very much feel they're the 3 that are in the tier we just barely missed out on in our Monahan/Bennett drafts).

If we land in 4 or 5? Still going to be happy to land Lawrence for sure.
Yeah, if I were in charge I still take McKenna if available but I’m not mad about picking anywhere in the top 5.
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"when" Calgary decides to negotiate, there's a plethora of teams who have reached out to see Colemans availability.

Obviously the return from each will be different, but I'd suspect he might a bit better return than most are expecting. Shut down guys who can score and put up PK minutes a plenty dont grow on trees.
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