Coleman only has a 10 team NTC. I feel for the guy getting moved, but I sure hope the flames aren't running their business like that and keeping guys on the roster because their wives are expecting if they get a good trade offer for someone who won't be here in 18 months.
The way the season is going the flames are clearly going to be bad. They have a handful of veterans teams will likely come in for as more and more cap space opens up and teams start to think they might have a shot. Set your value at a reasonable level for the veterans, king's ransom for a younger star like Zary or Parekh, and sit tight until someone pays up, obviously there is an astronomical chance you trade a younger core piece, but nobody on a team this badly constructed should be off limits if someone comes in and blows you away unless they have a NTC.
The way the Oilers and Panthers are looking so bad early might really play into the flames hands - the contenders boxed out by them the last couple years like Carolina or Dallas might get hopeful and push their chips in and think this is the year they can slip by those teams, or younger upstarts like Anaheim and Montreal stick around until the 40-60 game mark and maybe they will pay top dollar for some veteran leadership.
I feel less antsy about the flames offloading players when they keep losing, the fear is that they start winning and the organization falls even deeper into this pit of bad older players and lack of blue chip prospects but that's looking less and less likely.
Coleman only has a 10 team NTC. I feel for the guy getting moved, but I sure hope the flames aren't running their business like that and keeping guys on the roster because their wives are expecting if they get a good trade offer for someone who won't be here in 18 months.
The way the season is going the flames are clearly going to be bad. They have a handful of veterans teams will likely come in for as more and more cap space opens up and teams start to think they might have a shot. Set your value at a reasonable level for the veterans, king's ransom for a younger star like Zary or Parekh, and sit tight until someone pays up, obviously there is an astronomical chance you trade a younger core piece, but nobody on a team this badly constructed should be off limits if someone comes in and blows you away unless they have a NTC.
The way the Oilers and Panthers are looking so bad early might really play into the flames hands - the contenders boxed out by them the last couple years like Carolina or Dallas might get hopeful and push their chips in and think this is the year they can slip by those teams, or younger upstarts like Anaheim and Montreal stick around until the 40-60 game mark and maybe they will pay top dollar for some veteran leadership.
I feel less antsy about the flames offloading players when they keep losing, the fear is that they start winning and the organization falls even deeper into this pit of bad older players and lack of blue chip prospects but that's looking less and less likely.
It's a 10 team approved list (ie he can only be traded to 10 teams of his choice).
If they are Dallas, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim, Florida, Edmonton, Colorado, TB, Vegas, NYR he's eliminated a lot, because most of those teams don't want or need him or can't afford him even with retention.
Coleman only has a 10 team NTC. I feel for the guy getting moved, but I sure hope the flames aren't running their business like that and keeping guys on the roster because their wives are expecting if they get a good trade offer for someone who won't be here in 18 months.
We'll know soon enough, but I also worry about this.
I also think they would not trade Lombo, if there is a market, because of all the marketing around him.
And regarding the other guys, we hear stuff like this all the time:
'He just signed here'
'We just acquired him'
'We just made him captain'
'He wants to be here'
In the real world people get relocated for jobs all the time. I was relocated once a few months before my wedding, then a year later when my wife was pregnant, and then shortly after my first child was born. My employer needed me to fix problems. I could either go and do the work, across the prairies and Ontario, or I could start looking for new work. That was part of the deal from day one when I took the job. My employer did not care about the fact of my family life, or the house I just bought. They got a relocation company involved, and pampered us during the moves. Neither me nor my wife ever complained.
I was making a lot less than in a year, than a single NHL monthly paycheck.
People can be such snowflakes about that stuff. These guys have the means to make anything easy, and the Teams help too.
It's a 10 team approved list (ie he can only be traded to 10 teams of his choice).
If they are Dallas, Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim, Florida, Edmonton, Colorado, TB, Vegas, NYR he's eliminated a lot, because most of those teams don't want or need him or can't afford him even with retention.
Even for the vets with some kind of mitigating circumstances, everyone understands in hockey that teams in last place have major shakeups and no one is safe. It's a short career where they need to be flexible to maximize their earnings and opportunity, after which they get to retire at 35-40 and chill/live wherever they want for life. I'd honestly be surprised if these vets with a couple seasons left want to spend it in a dumpster fire as well professionally, especially guys like Coleman and Kadri who are so competitive.
I think with the flames flexibility retention wise they will find a trading partner from a 10 team list even later in the season though, you can get his cap hit down to about 700k by the deadline if you retain and if there's even one team in the playoff hunt on that list of ten they will probably offer up a decent pick for a guy of that quality and winning background, at which point the player probably expands their list when they know they are moving anyway.
I mean that’s what most teams do with ‘fan favourites’ type players like lombo is but a 4 minute start of the season Rambo parody video and some lomberghini shirts shouldn’t get in the way of flipping him for a late pick at the deadline and opening up a more consistent 4th line spot for the youth movement.
Flames produced a ton of content around him. Rambo, Lomberghini...
Yes. I'm dead serious. There's been no more content around him than any other player as far as I can see. They've mic'd him. But also Coleman, Kadri and Farabee. He's not a guy they usually send out for press availabilities. There's no videos devoted to him on the Flames' site right now.
Even for the vets with some kind of mitigating circumstances, everyone understands in hockey that teams in last place have major shakeups and no one is safe. It's a short career where they need to be flexible to maximize their earnings and opportunity, after which they get to retire at 35-40 and chill/live wherever they want for life. I'd honestly be surprised if these vets with a couple seasons left want to spend it in a dumpster fire as well professionally, especially guys like Coleman and Kadri who are so competitive.
I think with the flames flexibility retention wise they will find a trading partner from a 10 team list even later in the season though, you can get his cap hit down to about 700k by the deadline if you retain and if there's even one team in the playoff hunt on that list of ten they will probably offer up a decent pick for a guy of that quality and winning background, at which point the player probably expands their list when they know they are moving anyway.
I have no doubt that if a good offer comes for Coleman he can and will be moved. But it's not unheard of for a player to play hardball this way (Kadri did with Toronto).
I have no doubt that if a good offer comes for Coleman he can and will be moved. But it's not unheard of for a player to play hardball this way (Kadri did with Toronto).
Yep agreed and it is his right to use his negotiated privileges, but I think there will be 20-24 teams at the deadline who would take Coleman, anyone in the race wants a two time cup winner who can play up and down the lineup especially if they retain. Odds are even if him and his agent tried to use the list to block movement, one or two teams they had on their list that they didn't expect to be in the playoff race or viable options are there. I think the flames will have a choice and not be totally stonewalled. If the flames retain he's affordable at the deadline for just about anybody and fits in to almost any lineup for depth.
Maybe you don't get as great a return if you're only dealing with a couple teams but when Coleman knows he's going anyway, you would think he'll open up his list anyway - as those couple teams on the list that snuck into the playoff race will probably be a lot less desirable than the top teams he would have blocked.
For me Kadri is a guy you insist on top dollar for, and only move if there's a good return, but Coleman is a 30-40 pt a year 34 year old forward, personally I'd even take a 3rd and move on and open up the space to start looking at younger players and add a swing at the draft, and a 2nd plus would be fantastic and more what I'd expect if he doesn't hardball. I'd rather take an extended look at Stromgren now that he's playing decent 2 way hockey if the flames are eliminated
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If the Wings are in playoff spot in the New Year, I can see any of Coleman, Kadri, or Andersson being a target. Andersson in particular would be a long-term fit.
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I'd try and take a swing that didn't involve Coronato.
If we gain additional 1st round picks in Andersson and/or Coleman/Kadri deals, I'd try and do a
Zary + Pospisil + 1st + 2nd or something for Laf and see if NYR bites. If we can trade Andersson and at least one of if not both Coleman and Kadri, Conroy is going to be in a spot where he can make one of those "quantity for quality" trades, and Laf is a guy I'd happily do that for.
Wait, what? Why the hell would we give up all that for Laf?
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Yep agreed and it is his right to use his negotiated privileges, but I think there will be 20-24 teams at the deadline who would take Coleman, anyone in the race wants a two time cup winner who can play up and down the lineup especially if they retain.
20-24 seems like an exaggeration. Many teams even in the race don't play that game. Plus you are adding in teams who would be in lottery territory.
