09-19-2025, 04:30 PM
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#9121
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
There's never more than like 0.01% of trade rumours in this thread and it's 99.99% general flow roster talk.
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You forgot to account for the 10-15% complaining that the thread is off topic and the subsequent explaining that the thread is almost never on topic.
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09-19-2025, 05:05 PM
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#9122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
You forgot to account for the 10-15% complaining that the thread is off topic and the subsequent explaining that the thread is almost never on topic.
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Pro tip: put that crowd on ignore and it doesn't count.
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09-19-2025, 07:27 PM
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#9123
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Franchise Player
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https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagn...h-negotiations
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According to league sources, McTavish is willing to sign a long-term deal, in the seven-to-eight-year range worth in the neighbourhood of $7 million to $8 million per season. The Ducks, however, have pitched a five-year contract worth around $5.5 million per season.
For now, McTavish will stay at home. No trade requests have been made, and the Ducks aren’t entertaining trade inquiries. I don’t get the sense there is any hostility right now, but the longer this drags out, the harder it is to keep emotions out of the equation.
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09-19-2025, 07:59 PM
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#9124
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Aug 2022
Location: Zambia
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^ ####, depending on acquisition cost, I'd do that easily.
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09-19-2025, 08:25 PM
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#9125
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musth
^ ####, depending on acquisition cost, I'd do that easily.
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Yes. I would happily give him $7.5-8M for 8 years.
So what do you realistically need to Andersson to make it happen? (Which I know is a dangerous question here because the Andersson haters are going to pile on immediately...)
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09-19-2025, 08:30 PM
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#9126
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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No hate to rasmus, but the value addition needed on top of Andersson to acquire mctavish from the ducks makes including andersson seem moot rather than trying to trade him in a separate deal to recoup assets. The ducks dont really need dmen.
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09-19-2025, 09:53 PM
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#9128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Any trade for McT is going to take an overpay. The Ducks are not shopping him so you need to blow the socks of them to pry him out of there. He has a good pedigree but I'm not convinced he would be worth the ask.
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09-19-2025, 10:26 PM
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#9129
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: In my office...is it 5:00 yet???
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Any trade for McT is going to take an overpay. The Ducks are not shopping him so you need to blow the socks of them to pry him out of there. He has a good pedigree but I'm not convinced he would be worth the ask.
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You mention pedigree and geez all this time I never realize he was the son of a former (very brief) Calgary Flame. It’s meant to be
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09-19-2025, 11:15 PM
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#9130
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipper_3434
He's literally the 12th forward on one of the worst offensive teams in league.
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It isn't because of the 4th line that the team was bad offensively.
On the other hand, they were good enough defensively to lose a playoff spot on a tiebreaker, despite being one of the worst offensive teams.
Lomberg is defensively responsible and helps other players to improve in that aspect of the game. That alone makes him worth having around as a 4th-line forward. You push him out when a young player can contribute more overall than he does, not just offensively.
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09-20-2025, 12:17 AM
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#9131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Any trade for McT is going to take an overpay. The Ducks are not shopping him so you need to blow the socks of them to pry him out of there. He has a good pedigree but I'm not convinced he would be worth the ask.
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I agree it will take an overpay, and I can't really argue on whether he's worth it or not, as I can't see into the future. I know this player fairly well though, and I think he's going to be a star C in the future (and will be huge in the playoffs), and easily worthy of the contract mentioned above.
As for the price to acquire him, perhaps now is the best time to put together an offer that will blow their socks off, as we have an overabundance of quality prospects that we could potentially offer in trade- after all, we need young top-6 centers to grow with the team, and not all of the prospects in our pipeline will have the room to graduate to the team when they are ready anyway. Problem is, we might not have anything that they want/need. Just my opinion, but I like the player better than most.
Last edited by Sandman; 09-20-2025 at 03:19 AM.
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09-20-2025, 06:55 AM
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#9132
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
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Seems pretty silly from his point. No one else appears to be banging on his door, and it is a good chance to inflate his stats and get a better pay day next year.
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09-20-2025, 06:59 AM
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#9133
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Nothing silly to me; it’s Edmonton lol
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09-20-2025, 07:59 AM
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#9134
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho0978
Culture in the locker room could also be a mix of players who get along and like each other as teammates. At some point you have to consider talent too. Lomberg is a good fit, but if the Flames trade Coleman and Kadri or other vets and in comes different players with different personalities, the culture can change, and other players might not be a fit with the new players.
They have a long list of players that seem to be good in the room, take one away and they should be ok.
I also never said I would be against signing Lomberg, just right now does not make sense unless he leaves a lot of money on the table to stay. 0 risk he leaves if he wants to stay that badly.
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And I said now gives a good person some certainty which probably puts another brick in that culture wall.
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09-20-2025, 08:42 AM
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#9135
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
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Wait…..but I thought every single player in the league was basically willing to get paid league minimum to have a chance to play with the great Mavi and the best team to never win anything.
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09-20-2025, 09:16 AM
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#9136
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sandman
I agree it will take an overpay, and I can't really argue on whether he's worth it or not, as I can't see into the future. I know this player fairly well though, and I think he's going to be a star C in the future (and will be huge in the playoffs), and easily worthy of the contract mentioned above.
As for the price to acquire him, perhaps now is the best time to put together an offer that will blow their socks off, as we have an overabundance of quality prospects that we could potentially offer in trade- after all, we need young top-6 centers to grow with the team, and not all of the prospects in our pipeline will have the room to graduate to the team when they are ready anyway. Problem is, we might not have anything that they want/need. Just my opinion, but I like the player better than most.
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Verbeek seems like a throwback GM who does not value getting young players signed to long term contracts and is willing to throw money at vets and overpay them for past results. He has played what seems like strange hardball with a number of young players while being willing to pay for past results for vets.
- He signed a soon to be 34 year old Alex Killorn to a 4 year deal at 6.25 million bucks.
- he gave up two assts to get Trouba at 8 million a year
- he traded a recent 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick for a potentially declining Chris Kreider who is set to make 6.5 million for the next two years.
At the same time he has signed none of his RFA’s for next year to long term contracts and is playing hardball with McTavish. He traded Drysdale after playing hardball on that contract. He basically seems to place a high value on veterans, basically not caring how much they make and places a low value on signing young players longterm.
With that in mind I would offer something like
Zary - a young player who was not awarded a long term contract and is a number that is low that seems to align with how Pat feels young players should be paid and
Coleman - maybe eat 15% to really entice Pat.
If the Flames want to take one of these future RFA headaches off his hands in advance of him having to grind them next summer to accept the reality that you have to pay your dues before getting paid throw in Rasmus and get Zellweger or Mintyukov off his hands. Pat seems like the type of who would rather pay Rasmus 8x8 anyway than give a young guy money before they have earned it.
I don’t think Pat wants prospects, he has been trading them away for vets recently. I think the play is good quality grizzled vets who have years of experience plus a guy like Zary who is not making much money as a young guy.
Last edited by Aarongavey; 09-20-2025 at 09:19 AM.
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09-20-2025, 10:23 AM
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#9137
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Verbeek seems like a throwback GM who does not value getting young players signed to long term contracts and is willing to throw money at vets and overpay them for past results. He has played what seems like strange hardball with a number of young players while being willing to pay for past results for vets.
- He signed a soon to be 34 year old Alex Killorn to a 4 year deal at 6.25 million bucks.
- he gave up two assts to get Trouba at 8 million a year
- he traded a recent 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick for a potentially declining Chris Kreider who is set to make 6.5 million for the next two years.
At the same time he has signed none of his RFA’s for next year to long term contracts and is playing hardball with McTavish. He traded Drysdale after playing hardball on that contract. He basically seems to place a high value on veterans, basically not caring how much they make and places a low value on signing young players longterm.
With that in mind I would offer something like
Zary - a young player who was not awarded a long term contract and is a number that is low that seems to align with how Pat feels young players should be paid and
Coleman - maybe eat 15% to really entice Pat.
If the Flames want to take one of these future RFA headaches off his hands in advance of him having to grind them next summer to accept the reality that you have to pay your dues before getting paid throw in Rasmus and get Zellweger or Mintyukov off his hands. Pat seems like the type of who would rather pay Rasmus 8x8 anyway than give a young guy money before they have earned it.
I don’t think Pat wants prospects, he has been trading them away for vets recently. I think the play is good quality grizzled vets who have years of experience plus a guy like Zary who is not making much money as a young guy.
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If he wants vets, do you think Kadri would be a good piece? Leaves us with MacT, Frost and Backlund as the top 3 Cs.
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09-20-2025, 10:29 AM
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#9138
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Franchise Player
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Kadri has a no trade clause and no interest in being traded
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09-20-2025, 11:25 AM
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#9139
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Kadri has a no trade clause and no interest in being traded
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Thx for this.
Around and around we go!
Flames called on the availability of Mason, and if he were available the Flames would 100% be interested.
But he’s not… yet.
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09-20-2025, 11:40 AM
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#9140
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Kadri has a no trade clause and no interest in being traded
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He cho cho cho-se us too
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